Extremely disapointing melee offerings.... as is tradition

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anti4z500 wrote:

but dont envy minions. they got total shit :D. on the other hand spells got good options and thats stupid

Minion builds can hit 2.5M-3.5M DPS with near 100k EHP wearing a Tabula and under 5 Divines in cost.

Which melee build can do that? Spell suppression gear alone is going to cost 10-15 Divine. But casters can easily get spell suppression and 80K armor for near nothing, while melee has to bust their ass to get 80k armor and 100% spell suppression.

There is a reason cArn has not won a gauntlet vs Ben and Imexile and it has to come down to how long it takes for melee to get a decent weapon and spell suppression.

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Aynix wrote:

You know why melee was good in D2? Because D2 had immunities so going with spells and locking yourself behind an element was bad idea. That is single reason of that. PoE doesnt have monsters that are "immune to cold" for example so spell prevail.

Those things are completely unrelated. There were plenty of monsters with physical immunity as well, even dual immunity was a thing. Plus there was stuff like iron maiden that locked out melee builds from certain areas via reflect.

As for uber trist, melee is good at that because of lifetap which provides absurd amounts of heal and crushing blow which does damage based on the remaining life of the target. So it's not really melee being good at ubers, it's just that melee has access to two busted mechanics for that content. Guess the result is the same but still. It's more on the level of exploit abuse than actual balance effort.

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Aynix wrote:

So you are saying they should buff melee gems that people are already using? Yeah, you proved my point.

I list a plethora of ideas and you pick only one of them... By your logic though any possible change no mater what is a skill gem buff. Therefor no possible idea can be made neither caster or melee without you calling it a skill gem buff. Though I mentioned many things in my post that were related to the tree. I didn't know spell suppression on the tree was a skill gem? You're more or less trolling though with an attitude that "everything" is a skill gem buff just because you decided to define everything is a skill gem buff.


It's just getting absurd when nearly every melee skill GGG comes up with has some kind of poison pill in it. Just like when Ben was so excited at first to see that 2h Lacerate till he saw 40% of attack speed. Nearly and decent feedback has stated the attack speed nerf killed melee, and asked for it to be removed. So what does GGG do, make new gems with some of the slowest attack speeds in the game.

When melee bleed is doing a fraction of what caster Bleed DoT is doing it just absurd to act as if "Oh you just want a skill gem buff". Well get of it already, melee is given a skateboard to use while casters are driving a car. Jungron hit 1.5M Bow Bleed DoT the other day with total potato gear and a crafted bow he made on the fly doing a 2 voidstone run.

Then melee gots to jump through hoops and get super RNG god blessing to get a the right Transfigured skill gems so that we can do a fraction of the damage Jungron did with a few flask pys damage bow craft.

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Aynix wrote:

There is only so much they can do with melee attacks. Also les be real, unless new gem would have like 500% more DMG you guys wouldnt play them anyway.

Not True, how about a Rage Vortex you can have least 3 Vortex at a time? How about an Ensnaring Arrow type of bleed for Melee? Freaking Bow user a range weapon can make Bleeds hit harder than anything a melee can do. Why did they totally gut Chieftains melee? Soon as Chieftain had a single skill it could do ok (smite) it was nerfed, and it was very expensive build at that.

How about some mid tier uniques added to compete with caster builds? You can buy a very decent caster weapon which can do Ubers for under 10c and there are loads of them. I can think of only a very few melee. How about making Skill gems scale melee damage better so we are not reliant on a 50 Divine weapon?

How about making casters have to spec wands or staffs like we have to spec axes, swords, or hammers? How about +1 Wands requiring lvl 68 to even craft? Why does every melee skill have to tax us so hard compared to new caster skill gems?

If you look at this last years Melee types Gems how many are being used besides Boneshatter. Well the nefed Cheiftan's out of his +1 totems so that totally screwed Earthbreaker to being totally unusable. Has anyone ever used Behead? Volcanic Fissure? Total dud... Or they make you eat a skill gem slot to cast a linked spell. Why is it so many other games have good melee skills yet, PoE can't seem to comeup with hardly any? To tell the truth D 4 really makes PoE look like poo when it comes to melee.

Self cast is even less popular than melee. Top builds are Boneshatter, RF, EA (totems), Fire Trap, DD (broken), bow skills like TR and TS/LA in SC, also trigger things like CoC, then a bunch of DoT stuff and THEN it is Spark (nerfed this patch).
People even picked up Glacial Hammer before Freezing Pulse. Cool spells like Eye of Winter are only used with brands or mines. There are so many cool spells that nobody uses. And I will also bring up Channeled spells.
Nobody casts spells anymore.

Top-1 HC delver is... melee :)

inb4 Boneshatter doesn't count...

It's not Boneshatter.

Since Melee is so fked, i will play Boneshatter until my bones are shattered

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DeLJaDe wrote:

Self cast is even less popular than melee. Top builds are Boneshatter, RF, EA (totems), Fire Trap, DD (broken), bow skills like TR and TS/LA in SC, also trigger things like CoC, then a bunch of DoT stuff and THEN it is Spark (nerfed this patch).
People even picked up Glacial Hammer before Freezing Pulse. Cool spells like Eye of Winter are only used with brands or mines. There are so many cool spells that nobody uses. And I will also bring up Channeled spells.
Nobody casts spells anymore.

Glacial Hammer was nerfed out of existence. The problem is Bow's are insanely OP and have been for over a year. But self cast is only possibly less popular due to the nerfs in 3.23. Cold Dot was still self cast and DD is self cast and possibly the strongest Starter. Exsanguinate and Reap a very popular build is mainly self cast.

I do agree that self cast is not in a good place, but still miles better than melee when it comes to viablity when you exclude Boneshatter.

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cursorTarget wrote:

Top-1 HC delver is... melee :)

Nice logical fallacy proving nothing other than melee with tons of investment can deep delve.

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cursorTarget wrote:

It's not Boneshatter.

My bad. I change to "inb4 projectile skills aren't melee".