In-game trading system?!!!!

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hasatt0 wrote:

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Imaginaerum wrote:

how anyone can ask for an auction house after Diablo 3 boggles my mind

How anyone can ask for an obsolete trading system in a (mostly) single player ARPG where you obtain all your gear/currency by trading and not playing the game boggles my mind.

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Pashid wrote:

Cause a auction house would make the bot situation even worse as it already is.
All the people with their trade bots would benefit even more out of it and ruin the market even further for the normal player without any bots.

Do you know why bots become a problem? It is because the game is free, and trading has no paywall. Runescape has this problem, but its not as lucrative anymore. The reason is because it is very easy to detect bots in the game. So easy in fact that the dev's have publicly banned hundreds of botters at the same time, while live streaming it. Where they had issues is with the dev's themselves, not botting, but taking gold and such from botters, and selling it for bitcoin.

In FF14 it also has a huge botting issue, but it doesn't really have any effect on the economy itself. Instead its just annoying, seeing botters completing the hardest content in the game, without even actually playing it. I've played the game for years and I can't even tell if someone I am playing with is a bot or not.

How you fix this issue is by making it cost more money to be able to sell or trade things than a bot could make in profit before being banned. The faster you can detect bots and ban them, the less worth it the game becomes to bot it, in conjunction with the cost of entry to the ability to sell or trade away goods they plan to RMT.

- Make trading other players, and dropping items to other players on the ground impossible. To Unlock the ability to trade with other players, or list items for sell on poe.trade, you must buy a "Premium Quad Stash Tab".

- Existing players will have the option of upgrading 4 "Premium Stash Tabs" into "Premium Quad Stash Tabs". New accounts will no longer be able to purchase "Premium Stash Tab" or "Upgrade to Premium Tab". This will increase the cost of botting in PoE from $5 to $20 via the price point break down on the website, or $1.50 to $15 if steam offers different price break points.

- All Supporter Packs should come with a "Premium Stash Tab" ($20-$30 pack, "Premium Quad Stash Tab" ($60+) or "Upgrade to Premium Quad Stash Tab" (60$+ if your account already owns at least 4 Premium Stash Tabs).

Essentially what this does is increase the cost of a Bot 10 fold. Likewise the faster GGG can automatically detect a bot and ban them, the less time they have to make any profit at all. This is where issue #2 comes in, bot detection.

- To detect a bot can be either easy or hard. Easy if you can find the bot source available online easily to see how it works. It can be harder in other situations, especially if the bot is not running from the same pc the game is being played on. However 99% of bots will not be of the latter, as having more than 1 pc is already a high cost.

- All GGG needs to do here is file lawsuits against the sellers of publicly available bots. You may have heard many lawsuits in the last decade, from Engine Owning 3M $, Lavi Cheats 6.7M $, Aim Junkies 4.3M $, Veteran Cheats 12M $, and many more. Bot sellers have been sued countlessly over the last decade as far back as in Runescape. This is one of the easiest ways to stop bots, by simply shelling out cash and suing people for millions of $'s.

- The other option is installing an anti cheat software along with the game when someone downloads PoE, at the Kernal level. This would mean an anti cheat software would be able to detect hacks and cheats easily. However this also means you have a piece of software on your pc that typically can't be removed watching everything you do. Obviously people don't like this, because they can't cheat. I got nothing to hide so I dont care. An Example of something similar to this would be Punk Buster, which will be able to detect and automatically hardware ban or license key ban detected cheaters from joining games where the software is enabled. In some cases they can permanently ban someone across all games entirely that have this software enabled. It reads the memory of your computer, so anything you try to do involves saving something in memory, which can be read. The only problem is that it needs to have an idea of what to look for, and that just involves, looking at the publicly available bots and cheats in memory, and having Punk Buster search for that. Obviously there are other methods in programs like this, not just 1.

- Fortunately public bots use similar programs, scripts, ect.

What if they just eliminated trade all together, problem solved all around in one fell swoop.

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sevens67 wrote:

What if they just eliminated trade all together, problem solved all around in one fell swoop.

That would be great actually. Everything around the game is intrinsically tied to the fact that the core of PoE is trading for everything, despite the fact that the trading system is designed to make trading annoying and difficult. The game would honestly be better without trading. It would even solve the RMT botting problem over night.

Whoever thinks GGG doesnt add AH because of bots is on massive copium.
Its because of their "vision", and according to that trade must be annyoing and time consuming.

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Jgizle wrote:

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sevens67 wrote:

What if they just eliminated trade all together, problem solved all around in one fell swoop.

That would be great actually. Everything around the game is intrinsically tied to the fact that the core of PoE is trading for everything, despite the fact that the trading system is designed to make trading annoying and difficult. The game would honestly be better without trading. It would even solve the RMT botting problem over night. In the meantime, I gave up the game a little because I found some great online casino offers on the https://gamblizard.ca/best-canadian-online-casinos/new-casinos/ website. There is an excellent selection of new legal projects that lure new players with good bonuses. Trying something new is very interesting!

I agree, it would be better for everyone.

ARPG without trade would be terrible. Just look at D3/D4, terrible.
However i think current system with browser is superior to ingame AH.


Alt-Tab not a big deal.

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Rikku wrote:

ARPG without trade would be terrible. Just look at D3/D4, terrible.
However i think current system with browser is superior to ingame AH.


Alt-Tab not a big deal.

You realize that MASSIVE amount of ARPGs are single player only, meaning they dont have trade system? I guess they all are terrible?

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Rikku wrote:

ARPG without trade would be terrible. Just look at D3/D4, terrible.
However i think current system with browser is superior to in game AH.


Alt-Tab not a big deal.

More than half the player base does not even engage in trade, or use the trade portion of the website, and likely do not even know that trading is even possible, or even how to list their items for sell. The fact that it is not in the game like it should be is a huge problem. If the listing and viewing of items to buy and sell was in game, the economy would look very different than it does now, and has been for a decade. Not just because engagement would increase drastically, but also the larger increase in supply and demand would have a huge effect on the value of everything across the board.

This would probably be too much traffic to the trade portion of the website which would simply be loaded in a nice UI in game, and likely could crash the entire website. Hence, why this has not been done yet.

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AdRonZh3Ro wrote:

Because people live in the delusion that bots don't alredy ruin the entire economy, and that it would somehow be worse.

Because it would make it worse, easier to snipe and more automated. No-one is saying any method would eliminate bots.