POE1 vs POE2

I wonder why this discussion is about being used to 1000% movement speed and over the top stats versus something new and not wanting something new.

Most arguments either for or against splitting the games up are very stigmatising/polarising.

We have different perspectives here, and any meaningful decision is naturally always going to offend a part of the player base.

Personally i understand it is easier to create a new game without constraints of the old. This is the main valid reason Pro-splitting it up imho.

However: Path of Exile, especially Standard, has a large group of players that like to build things up over long periods of time. Many players like me are casual players, and the thing that makes me come back is that i know while the game might change, my items will still be there, and i can spend some time getting a little bit better.

That is all gone now.

Keeping POE1 alive besides the new game is something we have seen before. Other games have tried this, and it almost always resulted in gradually reduction of support at various speeds. Ending up sometimes in patchless maintenance mode games.

Also I think it is not fair towards players having invested large amounts of time, and money in this because of this reason, and POE having always said it would be one game and your characters and items (this only concerns "Standard ofc.") will be available in the new game.

Is GGG not afraid of loosing these players?
Does GGG not realise its partly because of these players they have the budget for this?
How hard would it be for them to have a Standard on POE2 with also characters and items copied over? They could still have POE1 exist in tandem. But we all know in the end they will focus their resources on only one of the games, incurring even more frustration given the pledge to maintain POE1 right now. That simply can't last forever and is going to result in more disapointment.

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Artimunor wrote:

I wonder why this discussion is about being used to 1000% movement speed and over the top stats versus something new and not wanting something new.

Because that's the primary complaint haters keep levying against the new game. "It's so slooooow, where's my zooooooooooooooooooooom?!"

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Artimunor wrote:

Most arguments either for or against splitting the games up are very stigmatising/polarising.

Welcome to the Internet. Sadly enough.

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Artimunor wrote:

However: Path of Exile, especially Standard, has a large group of players that like to build things up over long periods of time. Many players like me are casual players, and the thing that makes me come back is that i know while the game might change, my items will still be there, and i can spend some time getting a little bit better.

That is all gone now.

It's really not. It's really, really not, and I'm sorry but I'm getting so tired of telling people it's not. Your PoE1 Standard treasure hoard will still exist. You'll have time to build up a Path 2 treasure hoard if you want one.

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Artimunor wrote:

Keeping POE1 alive besides the new game is something we have seen before. Other games have tried this, and it almost always resulted in gradually reduction of support at various speeds. Ending up sometimes in patchless maintenance mode games.

Please pardon the query, but what does it matter if Path 1 eventually goes maintenance mode? You state your joy in the game is slowly building up power over a long period. One would think a maintenance-mode Path 1 would aid that goal, since your passive tree would stop being blown up once a year and forcing you to redo your whoile build. Your items would become stable, and you'd have a solid and unchanging foundation with which to pursue your goals.

And that's assuming the game ever does go maintenance mode. It's entirely possible that Grinding Gear continues to maintain Path 1 just fine. After all, they also had super low odds of Path of Exile 1 actually working, back in the day, and here we are now. They've got enough of a chunk of Religion of Zoom hyperspeed fanatics that there's money to be had in supplying the meth-heads with their meth while the rest of us enjoy an objectively better game in PoE2.

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Artimunor wrote:

Also I think it is not fair towards players having invested large amounts of time, and money in this because of this reason, and POE having always said it would be one game and your characters and items (this only concerns "Standard ofc.") will be available in the new game.

Is GGG not afraid of loosing these players?

To put it with unfortunate bluntness: no. A very large majority of players only engage with PoE in the league cycle, the last semi-reliable number I heard was that a maximum of 15% of players play in Standard at all. And most of those are generally people who putter around in Standard with their old champions in between league content. Dedicated Standard players who never touch leagues are the rare exception, not the rule, and there's not really anything Grinding Gear can do for you guys.

They have a choice between making an amazing new game for the legions of folks who want more from their ARPG than Cookie Clicker fuckery or abandoning PoE2 altogether and continue to power/speed/scope creep PoE1 further into oblivion with every patch, allowing the Standard Only Enjoyers to sit atop their slowly growing dragon hoards of legacy items until the game rots and falls apart around them. Which is to say they have no choice at all.

We desperately need this rebuild, Artimunor. I'm truly sorry you're going to have to split your treasure hoard, and I sincerely hope Path 1 remains viable for as long as possible so you can continue to enjoy your existing treasure hoard. That's the thing a lot of folks don't get, when people are arguing against Religion of Zoom in PoE2. You guys have your game, and you're super, super, super welcome to keep it. We just want one aligned to our interests and our fun, too.

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Artimunor wrote:

How hard would it be for them to have a Standard on POE2 with also characters and items copied over? They could still have POE1 exist in tandem. But we all know in the end they will focus their resources on only one of the games, incurring even more frustration given the pledge to maintain POE1 right now. That simply can't last forever and is going to result in more disapointment.

It would require them to ruin Path of Exile 2. The entire reason they split the two games is because PoE2 grew so much that it became fundamentally incompatible with PoE1. They decided that turning 1 into 2 would irrevocably ruin and destroy 1 for the throngs of people that love 1. The same applies in reverse - trying to turn 2 into 1 so that folks like you can keep your treeasure hoard would irrevocably ruin and destroy the shiny new game the rest of us are so eager to play. They'd have to get rid of all the amazing new ideas they showed off, disable and undo all the fantastic new systems they built, and simply turn PoE2 into a garbage crappy port of Path 1 with marginally better graphics.

Sorry, Artimunor. Path 2 maybe just isn't for you. Sucks that this is the case, and hopefully one day you can join us in the slick-hotness new game, start to build a new treasure hoard. But the break is truly for the best. This is truly the way they lose the fewest players and gain the most players. There's always going to be some bleed when something new happens, but I cannot fathom a way they can make this hurt less for anyone involved.

I'm afraid we can only wait and see how it will play out after D5, i mean, poe2 comes out.

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Artimunor wrote:

Keeping POE1 alive besides the new game is something we have seen before. Other games have tried this, and it almost always resulted in gradually reduction of support at various speeds. Ending up sometimes in patchless maintenance mode games.

GGG can keep alive PoE 1 alive with just 20 people.

It is all over a year away. I love the artistic changes but will wait to see about the game play. Meanwhile, I will enjoy splitting my playtime between the leagues and standard.

I read the title of this thread, and I think, "GGG did this." =-[.]-=

I don´t care too much versus whatever. some of the current & upcoming Seasons and PoE 2 is the reason for me actually want to play again this game.

I don't think they want people to play POE1 after POE 2 hits, which is why it will get minimal if any support at all beyond maybe season resets once in a while.

They've said again and again that their vision is what they've shown in POE 2. Why would they undermine that by keeping POE 1 up? An easier, faster game with waaay more loot dropping? And imagine a scenario where the POE1 leagues are just better and more fun to play? And people start going back to that faster style game again they've actively been trying to move away from? Why would they wanna risk that?

The more you think about all this dual support meme the less sense it makes considering what they've said and want with POE long-term

EDIT: The only path here I could see with both getting support(POE2 would still get way more resources tho) is them making Ruthless into the normal mode for POE1 or some shit like that lol

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la_blue_girl wrote:

I don't think they want people to play POE1 after POE 2 hits, which is why it will get minimal if any support at all beyond maybe season resets once in a while.

They've said again and again that their vision is what they've shown in POE 2. Why would they undermine that by keeping POE 1 up? An easier, faster game with waaay more loot dropping? And imagine a scenario where the POE1 leagues are just better and more fun to play? And people start going back to that faster style game again they've actively been trying to move away from? Why would they wanna risk that?

The more you think about all this dual support meme the less sense it makes considering what they've said and want with POE long-term

I also think this dual support is bs. We can speculate their reasoning for doing it, but I don't believe for one second we'll get major POE 1 updates once POE 2 hits. To me, they're just hoping the vast majority embrace POE 2 so they can shut POE 1 down. Maybe update POE 2 in the future to have the original campaing as an option, kinda like the original plan was, who knows?

Also, during Exilecon they kept going on how much better POE 2 is in every single way, one of the main devs that I can't remember the name even said he has no idea of POE 1's current state.

Personally, I don't think POE 2 will be slow. Maybe a little bit slower like they said, but nothing like we saw on that demo.

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LeftyLaw wrote:

Man, there are a lot of people who didn't listen at all; they mentioned several times that the gameplay was over-tuned and slowed down intentionally to show off the new mechanics, gold will not be replacing currency items or trading, it will NOT be like ruthless mode./quote]