How dare the reddit PoE mods lock down the 'official' PoE sub-reddit

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DarthSki44 wrote:

I've always thought that Devs running their own subreddit, and moderating it, was terrible optics.

Do you really want GGG controlling narratives, topics, information, fucking with rules, making edits, etc..?

While there are edgelord moderators all over discord and reddit, it's still the lesser of two evils imo, to having a massive conflict of interest, information and discussion wise, if it's all self-policed by the company internally.

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sevens67 wrote:

Its a lot more than just the mods having access to tools. I get you just do not care but its ok to suffer a little for the greater good in the long run. Reddit is the one you should be angry at not anyone else.

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Nubatron wrote:

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Xyel wrote:

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Nubatron wrote:

I can't imagine why anyone would want to be a Reddit mod. No matter what you do, people talk about you in the worst way possible. You're guilty by association instantly. One mod is shit? You must be too.

Now Reddit makes it so tools that help moderate economically infeasible, resulting in moderating being much harder. They take a stand on the matter and they're just bashed some more.

I'm going to guess everyone who is bashing the mods would never put in the time and effort to be a mod. Particularly since Reddit is filled with hateful awful comments that constantly need moderated and you get shit on for doing it.

I still remember the shock from when I found out that reddit mods aren't reddit employees, but people who, for some reason unfathomable to me, work for a billion dollar corporation without any pay or promise of thereof.

I get that people like to do things harmful to themselves, but I don't see why I should support it.

It's the only way that business model works probably. Anyone being able to create a sub and Reddit being responsible for moderating them would quickly scale beyond any reasonable budget. Reddit would need to become an advertisement cesspool or users would have to pay to use. The free to use part brings a lot of people, which is part of what makes it all work, so forcing people to pay probably wouldn't fly. Ads everywhere makes an app miserable to use, and eventually they find a way to avoid them through ad blockers or just leaving, lowering that revenue stream.

Anyway, this is a temporary speed bump on the path to Reddit taking a turn for the (much) worse. If mods lose the tools to do their jobs effectively, they'll likely give up after trying to do their jobs ineffectively and then getting shit on even more. Subs will shift toward the loudest and most crass, and anyone worth having a civil conversation will be gone.

It's the natural cycle of things if you're aware of the enshittification lifecycle. They're currently shitting on their business partners. That's where we are.

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StinkStink wrote:

They should either close it permanently or hand it over to GGG.

Ppl are just repeating poe sub mod talking points and glossing over the fact that PoE is mainly a PC game. The vast majority of topics here and there are all by PC users. Most of them open reddit with ad-blocker and are completely unaffected by the "trials and tribulations" of the poe sub moderators.

I even saw a comment that it's "For the greater good to have poe sub moderators over GGG moderators". Like what!? ppl like that can't be serious.

What's next? GGG's support is bad? I mean come on people stop trying to hide the sun with your thumbs.

The best thing that could possibly happen to the community is for that sub to disappear completely and/or given away to GGG to do or not do as they see fit.

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Xyel wrote:

Youtube, Facebook, and Twitter are doing mostly fine in the moderation department, and they don't have an army of unpaid volunteers.

Reddit already has quite a few ads and adblockers aren't picking them up since they are presented as posts, and the API restrictions are partly aimed at the alternate reddit apps, which avoid those ads.

I'm not sure this will be a turn for the worse - I use reddit a lot, it's by far and wide my most used social website, and one of its issues is that the subreddits tend to become echo-chamberish at times. The self-moderation contributes to it, because in many subreddits, mods tend to delete posts they disagree with.

I've been around quite a few subreddits, some of them completely unmoderated, and it wasn't a cesspool or anything of that sort. Reddit already has the self-moderation function where heavily downvoted commets vanish and heavily downvoted posts sink, and the imagination that there's an army of people waiting to post most reprehensible of things if only there weren't so many mods on reddit has nothing real behind it.

As for reddit business partners, well, they are planning to increase the advertising's impact since it will get more difficult to avoid via 3rd party tools, and they are likely going to offer their own, paid replacements instead, which companies running their subreddits will gladly use.

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DarthSki44 wrote:

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StinkStink wrote:

They should either close it permanently or hand it over to GGG.

Ppl are just repeating poe sub mod talking points and glossing over the fact that PoE is mainly a PC game. The vast majority of topics here and there are all by PC users. Most of them open reddit with ad-blocker and are completely unaffected by the "trials and tribulations" of the poe sub moderators.

I even saw a comment that it's "For the greater good to have poe sub moderators over GGG moderators". Like what!? ppl like that can't be serious.

What's next? GGG's support is bad? I mean come on people stop trying to hide the sun with your thumbs.

The best thing that could possibly happen to the community is for that sub to disappear completely and/or given away to GGG to do or not do as they see fit.

Well I think you have made your opinion quite clear.

As I said handing over all narrative & discussion control on GGG realted information to the Developer to self-police fairly, isn't a very good idea, like at all.

Hell you cannot even discuss moderation here as part of their Code of Conduct terms. Imagine doing that on Reddit lol.

"GGG I dont think you should be censoring that topic". "Oh shit, I'm banned". That's sounds objectively awful.

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StinkStink wrote:

Literally in favor of topics like: RMT, Bots, Multiboxing, discord groups with known ties with RMT. As soon as a topic against any of those issues arise they delete it.