I dont know why the whole Diablo vs POE thing exists.

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Thesuffering wrote:

Maybe if the beta wasnt so bad for POE players they wouldnt have had to shit post. But it is definitely different strokes.

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KZA wrote:

Dungeons all have the same formula: Kill something on the left side, kill something on the right side, now that gives you the key to open the path in the middle to fight the boss. Gets repetitive fast.

Lots of backtracking in the layouts. Last Epoch fixes this with monsters respawning after a short time so theres always stuff to kill. PoE fixes this (with a few exceptions, looking at you Museum map) with level design negating the need for backtracking.

The dialogue/narrative was fine at first, but it got lame and boring fast because it's the same formula over and over. I get it, demons are killing everyone and they're evil and must be stopped.

Lots of waiting around for NPCs to say their lines before the monsters spawn.

Shallow crafting/salvage system. Like d3, you just pick up EVERYTHING and break it down. I prefer Last Epoch's salvage system were you can break down only a limited amount of items (due to cost), and so you pick and choose which items are best to break down based on what affixes they have that you want. Meaningful. PoE too needs help in this department because loot just stays on the floor 99.9% of the time.

Shallow itemization. It's a step up from D3's "green = equip, red = salvage" complexity, but not by a lot. At least in the beta, the affixes on items are all meaningless. 2% fire resist? Who cares. Nothing is noticable except the DPS on weapons and armor on equipment. Maybe the endgame will change that?

Build choice (at least early on) is an illusion. I can make my tele-kick have a 3 second faster cooldown (normally 9 seconds) or i can give it a 1.5 second stun. Both don't make much of a difference, and those are the only two options. Compare that with the many support gems of path of exile, of which you can choose 5 (or more when you get into crafting insane endgame gear). Maybe this expands in the endgame, but the above is all I saw in beta.

You choose your difficulty. This removes the challenge and instead makes it a question of efficiency. Yeah, I could make the monsters twice as tanky and damaging for 20% more loot and XP, but bonus XP actually just makes monsters even harder. And since it takes longer to kill them, it makes more sense to choose the easier difficulty until you are so strong that you spend more time walking from pack to pack instead of fighting. I suspect it will turn into d3 with literally over 180 meaningless difficulty levels to choose from. PoE and Last Epoch have one difficulty for everything, as it should be.

Party-to-win. You get XP and Loot bonuses for playing alongside other players (mmo style), and the bonus doubles if you formally party with them. Not only does synergistic party power out-scale monster power making the game so much easier, the bonus XP and loot make playing solo feel punishing. And when you know the whole reason for the system is to turn players into salesmen for their friends, it feels predatory.

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pr13st wrote:

As a poe player that doesn't splurge on games, I'm thinking: will d4 be worth those 70 euros I'm throwing its way?

And the answer is no, not really. Smells like boring casual shit over there.

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pr13st wrote:

As a poe player that doesn't splurge on games, I'm thinking: will d4 be worth those 70 euros I'm throwing its way?

And the answer is no, not really. Smells like boring casual shit over there.

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DarthSki44 wrote:

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pr13st wrote:

As a poe player that doesn't splurge on games, I'm thinking: will d4 be worth those 70 euros I'm throwing its way?

And the answer is no, not really. Smells like boring casual shit over there.

In fairness spending a few hundred dollars in optional cosmetics, and then prefacing that you don't splurge on games, doesn't exactly mesh.

And don't get me wrong, people can do whatever they want with their money.

D4 is more or less inline with AAA pay-to-play games. Hell I'd even say it's a better value because of the live service proposition, as opposed to a one-shot complete game that isn't maintained.

That said there will absolutely be a sale on D4, just not sure how long you will have to wait, or if that amount of time even matters to you. You might see something in December, 6 months post launch, in a holiday marketing situation.

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DarthSki44 wrote:

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pr13st wrote:

As a poe player that doesn't splurge on games, I'm thinking: will d4 be worth those 70 euros I'm throwing its way?

And the answer is no, not really. Smells like boring casual shit over there.

In fairness spending a few hundred dollars in optional cosmetics, and then prefacing that you don't splurge on games, doesn't exactly mesh.

And don't get me wrong, people can do whatever they want with their money.

D4 is more or less inline with AAA pay-to-play games. Hell I'd even say it's a better value because of the live service proposition, as opposed to a one-shot complete game that isn't maintained.

That said there will absolutely be a sale on D4, just not sure how long you will have to wait, or if that amount of time even matters to you. You might see something in December, 6 months post launch, in a holiday marketing situation.

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Deadandlivin wrote:

I'm 99% certain D4 on release will be a 10 times better, deeper and more fun game than PoE was on release.

Of course it will. D4 is made by a multi billion company, PoE was, at the time of release, made by a 'handful' of people. Comparing that is also a little bit unfair. Notice I used the word 'also' there.

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Deadandlivin wrote:

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Phrazz wrote:

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Deadandlivin wrote:

I'm 99% certain D4 on release will be a 10 times better, deeper and more fun game than PoE was on release.

Of course it will. D4 is made by a multi billion company, PoE was, at the time of release, made by a 'handful' of people. Comparing that is also a little bit unfair. Notice I used the word 'also' there.

That's why I'm not comparing D4 Beta to PoE Beta when I enter those experiences.

ARPGs are content driven games. It's obvious that the depth of a game like PoE can't be compared to a freshly made ARPG.

Whenever I play Last Epoch or Grim Dawn I'm not running to the forums crying about how these games lack the 10+ years of content that PoE has established. I play the games and enjoy them for what they are.

Not really sure why people feel like they have to shit on D4 on these forums.
Just comes off as cope and confirmation bias. In some cases even feel like people are trying to steer other people away from D4 by expressing how bad, boring or empty the game feels.

D4 is a solid game. Majority of people who play PoE will play it and enjoy the initial launch of a fresh unsolved game. Then the season will slow down and people will ready themselves for the next PoE league.
Kinda annoying to constantly have to read these posts about how D4 is a crap game that will fail cause Blizzard did this and that et.c.
We get it, alot of people hate Blizzard cause they feel like they've been in a abusive relationship due to years of disapointments with Wow, Diablo Immortal and their workplace drama et.c.

But majority don't really care, because most people aren't that petty.
Diablo4 looks like a decent game, even solid at times. Just let people enjoy it in peace. When I enter the PoE forums I do it because I want to read about PoE. Not post after post about how I should avoid Diablo4 and mindlessly grind Crimson Temple until I hit the grave. Majority of people will just play both games and it'll be perfectly fine.

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Thesuffering wrote:

A lot of us arent saying D4 is a crap game but rather not for us. I will play it but i already got bored with the beta. Probably play my barb because Necro is boring.