How to maximize Eldritch altar spawns?

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PurpleChakra wrote:

This answer is based mostly on anecdotal evidence, both from other players and from personal experience.

The more monsters you kill, the more chance you have of spawning an altar. This is why it's better in worse-layout (and thus higher mob count) maps, and why pack size increases your chances.

However, altars take up Extra Content slots, and the corollary of this is that the more league mechanics you have in your map, the more chance you have of filling up the Slots and having no more altars spawning. From the sounds of it this probably isn't your issue.

ive never heard of that extra content thing before, thanks for explaining
maybe that has something to do with my problem?
I block all league mechanics but fortune favors the brave spawns some anyway

you say the more monsters you kill, the more chance
main questions i still dont know the answer:

1. Do strongboxes work to help spawn altars?
2. Do #additional mobs on sextants help?

here is my atlas, can someone make sure ive not seriously messed something up?
I know you can say "its just rng , do a lot of maps"
ive probably done close to 40 now and like i said, I barely ever see 3 altars on a map ever since I respec to this tree earlier today.

keep in mind the whole point of the tree is to increase pack size for altars, so if you look on the right it will say "43 pack size" thats as high as i could get it.

https://poeplanner.com/atlas-tree/BAACAIMAD6ROjXiAyklM9bEV3DsZiF2gZ77-xfFUbYi4_6fiIWAiKfNbMPoo58fBtWYQgPYfiI4kV31ajepP97vrjJEXunost12L4X2RBmoOSt7-nzuINNoUtaFN10azi3OspCtx0LzQxttTK5y7GEnEAq5FWOsfzT-CUeHnU1_6-AJrp3tuhIIZAJHwgLPH3YPnrhnA-7HlK2siVHZN3F7fThvpKOAMTZFfShZZ2JjPieJzsro1MCeFLmeRztXqTJKrlK7vE32kZcrqbAgYiwtx_W3VYlsej-XLcjPG0YogM0gS2JvVac2WwnaJo6lD5PxmHz8IjWTHkQFjyVr1wMWvTPIMmS2zh9Sg1hQAH4sIAAAAAAAAAwMAAAAAAAAAAAA=

I just read a old post here on this forum of someone saying that some mechanics can increase 'native monsters' in maps and thus increase altar spawn chance.

one such mechanic is Domination (shrines)

Do shrines increase influence mobs??

that could explain why im suddenly getting way less altars. cause im no longer using any shrine nodes on passives, whereas before i used all.

I run quite the same setup as last league (stream of consciousness with essences, shrines, boxes, expediton, harvest and one influences fully specialized) and getting around the same 2-3 altars per T14-16 rare maps on average (last league I averaged exact 2,72 altars during hunting 2000 of them).

It still seems to be fully random for me; once 1 altar the whole map, once 2 altars next to each other.

Just for reference, my last league altaring results,
https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/3280313

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Mike_84 wrote:

I run quite the same setup as last league (stream of consciousness with essences, shrines, boxes, expediton, harvest and one influences fully specialized) and getting around the same 2-3 altars per T14-16 rare maps on average (last league I averaged exact 2,72 altars during hunting 2000 of them).

It still seems to be fully random for me; once 1 altar the whole map, once 2 altars next to each other.

Just for reference, my last league altaring results,
https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/3280313

Yeah definitely a lot of variance for me since running altars in archnem. Sometimes none, some just one or two, some 6 or 7 but always varied.

maybe they changed it and its just totally random, nothing matters, nothing affects it? its total RNG? now i feel stupid to respec my whole tree to try to min/max it

it kind of feels bad when you have no idea how a mechanic works and you cant plan to engage with it properly and wasting your time and effort damn no one really seems to know

i dont want the bother of having to price check and sell essences, and i dont like expedition much, those are the two main money makers this league

id rather just min/max altars and grind them. but it seems whatever i do i cant actually figure out how to do them most efficiently

like I say, i regularly run 80-95% pack size maps - it seems to make no difference. i keep getting 1-2 altar spawns on them.

bummp with rephrase

If i want to just ignore everything in the game but just maximize the amount of eldritch altars I get with wrath of cosmos, how to do this most min/max?

1.Do sextants with #additional packsize help?

2.Do strongboxes help?

3. Do shrines help since they add monsters?

4. Does 'fortune favors the brave' 10% more packsize help? Though it also adds random league mechanics, and ive read that league mechanics may interfere and reduce # of altars?

5. Is the best strategy to use Grand Design and take as many notables as possible thus increasing pack size? Cause currently im doing that, guaranteed atleast 70%-95% packsize per t16 dunes map, but I average only 1-2 altars per map. what am i doing wrong?

plz answer all questions as ive been looking for answers for awhile now and cant find any!!

i think i finally cracked the code how to maximize altar spawns

- grand design get as much packsize as possible via taking all notables (make sure none of them are any extra content)
- block literaly all extra content. strongboxes, shrines, https://www.poewiki.net/wiki/Extra_Content anything on this list.
- dont use fortune favors the brave ironically cause it spawns random league mechanics which is extra content which lowers altar chance
- use a map that has 'natural high density' you can google list of map densities. a good one is leyline

i think the more 'extra content' you have spawning, the less chance you have to spawn altars.
by doing this im able to get 5-7 altars per map on average
https://www.reddit.com/r/pathofexile/comments/uki2t9/psa_in_order_to_maximize_the_amount_of_random/
if im wrong lmk

does the sextant "25% increased magic pack size"
apply to eldritch influenced mobs?
would it therefore help to increase altar spawn chance?

how would i go about testing whether things like packs around shirnes, sextant #additional packs, sextant 25% magic pack size, helps to spawn eldritch minions and helps to spawn more altars?

thoughts on these trees to min/max altars with grand design?


#1 altar min/max searing exarch (red altars) (slighly more packsize but no sextant nodes)

https://poeplanner.com/atlas-tree/BAACAIQA29ao9U6NeIBM9bfliy4ZiMV8we7-xfFUbYi4_6fiIWAiKfNbMPoryyjnhiuMQbVmWe0QgEy6fVqN6rvrjJF6LLddi-F9kQZq3GkOSt7-nzuINNoUTddGs09di3NnYKykK3HQvCucuiu7GEnERVgRteHnU1_6-AJrZjCne4IZAJHwgLPH3YMZCvi2GcD7seUrVHZN3K3ZXt9OG6LQTZEWWc-JQArFIeJzsro0Wi5nkc7V6ji_F1BMkquUru8TfRNdpGVsCBiLC3H9bdVi49RxC1seY9GP5YgHy3IzxqNF0YogM9ib1WnNlsJ2iaPZXKlD5Py1Y2Yfx5H1wMWvTPIMmYfUoNYj39AoFAAfiwgAAAAAAAADAwAAAAAAAAAAAA==


#2 altar min/max eater worlds (blue altars) (slightly less packsize but sextant nodes)

https://poeplanner.com/atlas-tree/BAACAIQA29ao9U6NeIBM9bfliy4ZiMV8we7-xfFUbYi4_6fiIWAiKfNbMPoryyjnhiuMQbVmWe0QgEy6fVqN6rvrjJF6LLddi-F9kQZq3GkOSt7-nzuINNoUTddGs09di3NnYKykK3HQvCucuiu7GEnERVgRteHnU1_6-AJrZjCne4IZAJHwgLPH3YMZCvi2GcD7seUrVHZN3K3ZXt9OG6LQTZEWWc-JQArFIeJzsro0Wi5nkc7V6ji_F1BMkquUru8TfRNdpGVsCBiLC3H9bdVi49RxC1seY9GP5YgHy3IzxqNF0YogM9ib1WnNlsJ2iaPZXKlD5Py1Y2Yfx5H1wMWvTPIMmYfUoNYj39AoFAAfiwgAAAAAAAADAwAAAAAAAAAAAA==



I think eater of world has more overal altars, but you can more often clear half of a map and not get any good altar

Whereas, the red ones, searcing exarch, have a node that says "50% chance to spawn altar as soon as you spawn influence) -- that means you can get altars right at beginning of map so you dont waste half the map with no good altar reward.