widescreen resolution removed from the game.

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Dozer72 wrote:

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tackle70 wrote:

Take notes everyone - this is how you actually make good arguments.

The effort of replies against ultrawide was proportional to the amount of effort you put in that it should be allowed.

"I bought a niche resolution monitor so they should support it".

Was given the statement from GGG that took as much effort as it took you to come up with your argument.

"I disagree"

That person just actually put in more effort to give examples that the statement referred to.

In the future if you want better arguments against you, have better arguments for it.

I have consistently replied when people make actual arguments. I have presented my own, which have largely not been rebutted in almost 2 years. It does not follow that because I bump the thread each day, fallacious non-sequitors and bad faith non-arguments are appropriate.

What's particularly amusing to me is that there's a very simple argument in favor of black bars that I don't think anyone has yet made - "It's not worth the dev time to solve these problems affecting 0.5% of players, so this lazy/bad fix of black bars is fine". I can only speculate why nobody is making that argument, but it makes me suspect people arguing for black bars just want to defend GGG, rather than engage with the substance of the issue.

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tackle70 wrote:

What's particularly amusing to me is that there's a very simple argument in favor of black bars that I don't think anyone has yet made - "It's not worth the dev time to solve these problems affecting 0.5% of players, so this lazy/bad fix of black bars is fine". I can only speculate why nobody is making that argument, but it makes me suspect people arguing for black bars just want to defend GGG, rather than engage with the substance of the issue.

You do forget that it's not just GGG cause in fact lots of games don't support 32:9 and not even 21:9. If it was that easy to implement 32:9 without big bugs into games every game would have the support by now. Thinking that it only takes a little bit of time and that devs are lazy is quite a bold assumption.
But honestly I can't really blame any dev for the choice to put time and money into more important matters instead of something that only affects not even 0.1% of the player base.
People with a 32:9 took the gamble knowing that they may do encounter games that won't support it so it's not really any devs job to fix anyone's bad choices.
32:9 are nice as a work space if you don't want to deal with cable management of multiple screens, but as is for gaming it's just not advanced enough yet. Hell funny enough even the older tech 21:9 isn't even fully supported these days.

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tackle70 wrote:

I have consistently replied when people make actual arguments.

Then it should be copy and pasted under you "its been xxx days" spam. I haven't seen a single rational argument for them spending any time on it.

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tackle70 wrote:

If you want to argue that black bars are a defensible, logical inclusion in this game, the basic argument that needs refutation is as follows:

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tackle70 wrote:

I don't feel like repeating myself for the millionth time as to the substance here for why black bars are an objectively bad design choice with zero rational defense. You can read the thread if you want. the TL;DR is:

• This is a non-competitive PvE game
• It's OK to remove ultrawide support for competitive modes e.g. PVP/prize races, but this does not necessitate removal for the base game
• There are many allowed hardware and software advantages, many of which arguably impact the game much more than 32:9 gameplay; selectively removing one is nothing but arbitrary
• Ultrawide users can work around this anyway, so this doesn't actually solve any problems from "bad actors" or people intent on exploits. Only regular players following TOS are affected.
• If there are problems with ultrawide resolutions, black bars are not an acceptable solution. Multiple acceptable alternatives throughout this thread have been presented - fog of war, AI adjustments, variable FOV, bug fixes, etc.

For black bars to be OK and for this thread to go away, two things must both be true - first, the advantage given by 32:9 is a problem and needs to be removed and second, black bars are the appropriate way to do this.

1 year, 288 days

Fix it

No to unfair advantage, thanks.

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Nomancs wrote:

No to unfair advantage, thanks.

Fully agreed, and in case of PoE black bars do absolutely nothing to combat unfair advantage even if they were immutable :)

If we are going to copypaste same thing without actually addressing contradicting arguments above, I can do it too, you still haven't explained why am I wrong in your opinion :)

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Echothesis wrote:

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Nomancs wrote:

No to unfair advantage, thanks.

Fully agreed, and in case of PoE black bars do absolutely nothing to combat unfair advantage even if they were immutable :)

If we are going to copypaste same thing without actually addressing contradicting arguments above, I can do it too, you still haven't explained why am I wrong in your opinion :)

because it has nothing related with you dying in-game - your deaths have nothing to do with extra paid advantage from extra FOV. Stop playing glass cannons :)

I was speaking about killing mobs offscreen, not dying. Latter was an attempt to derail the point from another guy :)

If you build such character, you will die less simply because nothing except pinnacle bosses will ever notice you. Which fits unfair advantage definition. Black bars limit player visibility, but no elite player relies on visibility in this game. Why try to make out things in the clusterfuck when you can make 360 degrees autobomber?

Hence the black bars serve no balancing purpose other than looking ugly and archaic in 2024.

So for you picking build with better clear or build for bossing (better free tool for a job) is equal to p2w advantage - for me not, REAL money shouldn't buy advantage.

What if a UW monitor costs the same as a 1080p monitor? Would this be ok then?