petition! delete Sacred Orb and revert back quality vs new variable base defences! + more NEW scams

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ARealLifeCaribbeanPirate wrote:

Ya know, it might say something about how shocked I was to learn that the Sacred Orb wasn't a joke, but the scam angle didn't even occur to me until I saw this thread. But... god damn, you're so right. If the Sacred Orbs are rare (which they will be, from what we know so far), there could easily be a 2-3 exalt price difference between "good" and "bad" rolls on ES gear (Shavs, Esh's Mirror, etc).

And because the stat is HIDDEN, it's going to be nearly impossible for players to verify at a glance that the item they're buying is the correct one; we'll all have to whip out our calculators and confirm that this is indeed a +17 Shav with 13% quality because of what the ES number is.

So we've got an entire league of ES gear taking 10 times longer to buy and sell ahead of us, because there's no scam protection in-game. Ugh.

Like... there are so many reasons why item variance is a bad idea, and so many parts of it which are bad, but the most shocking of all is that the variance stat is HIDDEN. Just... WHY?! Withholding explicit information benefits absolutely nobody. GGG, if you absolutely have to go ahead with this godawful concept someone conjured up in a fever dream after playing 20 straight hours of D2R (which you DO NOT), could you at least un-hide this stat? There's really no excuse for it not showing up under advanced item descriptions when we hold Alt.

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Shagsbeard wrote:

Ask yourself who benefits from this... who doesn't care about rarity?

Bots. Pretty simple. And people who trade with bots.

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dW2005 wrote:

As a filthy SSF scrub, i doubt i should bother about some "oh-so-rare" pixel orb i'll most likely never drop, hehe, as well as that additional hidden number, unles it's unhidden somehow. Fuck perfectionism anyway, i can live with a bit less defenses, or a bit more.

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ARealLifeCaribbeanPirate wrote:

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dW2005 wrote:

As a filthy SSF scrub, i doubt i should bother about some "oh-so-rare" pixel orb i'll most likely never drop, hehe, as well as that additional hidden number, unles it's unhidden somehow. Fuck perfectionism anyway, i can live with a bit less defenses, or a bit more.

Well the perfectionism isn't really the issue. Realistically, the rarity of these orbs means they will probably be reserved for use on extremely well-rolled unique items, or on incredibly rare bases that can't drop naturally (lvl 86 ritual/heist bases, etc). Any crafted items are going to be crafted from near-perfect bases already, because getting a 19% regalia and hitting it with a conqueror's exalt is easier and cheaper than getting the right influence regalia with bad variance and hoping for the best.

The issue is that item variance introduces an ENORMOUS disparity in the value of many unique items, and unless the variance is a clearly stated property that can be read directly off of the item in mouseover that disparity can be impossible to identify at a glance. If I intended to design a system specifically for the purpose of facilitating and enabling scammers, I could not have done a better job than this.

But you do have an excellent point: I don't think this matters at all to SSF, because you guys are just going to want "as much defense as possible" and not concern yourself with an item's salable value. This is certainly a trade-only concern.

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ciel289 wrote:

i really hope advanced mod description will clearly show the +/-,this wont stop a lot of players getting sceamed though

like the old empower/enlighten 3/4 swap....there will always be players falling for it even though gggs tradewindow is foolproof when you pay attention

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TreeOfDead wrote:

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ciel289 wrote:

i really hope advanced mod description will clearly show the +/-,this wont stop a lot of players getting sceamed though

like the old empower/enlighten 3/4 swap....there will always be players falling for it even though gggs tradewindow is foolproof when you pay attention

just imagine u ran last map wanna sleep and all but show up ur perfect rolled hubris with ur influenced and u insant whisper that guy and he put u same item but with lowest rolled hubris with same ilvl and same influenced... u think u will 100% see it? when u rly sleepy and tired? i think 90% or so ppl will never see this scam and many many more ppl will be scammed same way...
think how flooded forum and reddit will be with threads like this - i was scammed help...