Painseeker doesn't disable applying alternative ailments with crits?!!

The unique is here - https://pathofexile.fandom.com/wiki/Painseeker

The alternate ailments in question are Sap (lightning), Scorch (fire) and Brittle (cold).

So it seems that despite the affix 'Critical Strikes do not inherently apply non-Damaging Ailments' seeming to suggest that it should make crits not be able to apply those ailments automatically, and the wiki page even stating that it does indeed prevent that, it actually DOES allow them to be applied by crits?!

Which then leaves you with an item that effectively increases your ailment effectives by as much as 200% MORE damage. What's going on here? Is this intended?

If you want to see it in action, Octavian is using it on his ailment based Ice Trapper build on HC, and insists that it does allow those ailments to be applied via crits - https://youtu.be/pbsyhN3pfjY?t=537

It never PREVENTED them to be applied, its just its not 100% on crit like it always is. Not a bug. Nowhere it is stated that you cant.

So what?

What do you hope to obtain with this statement (except for trolling)?

Someone has found a functioning interaction you haven't thought of. Great. No need for public outrage.

Use the interaction in your own build if you like it, ignore it if you don't. As simple as that.

Its an unintuitive mechanic, but since it prevents the inherent application of non dmg ailments from crits, where as the keystone that allows you to inflict the alt ailments explicitly states that crits inflict alt ailments, as they are not inherently inflicted by crits, there is no contradiction

but it seems pretty strong, yes

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kuciol wrote:

It never PREVENTED them to be applied, its just its not 100% on crit like it always is. Not a bug. Nowhere it is stated that you cant.

Yes, but he's applying them WITH crits. Like, there is no chance to apply Sap, Scorch or Brittle in his build. He's CRITTING those ailments onto enemies.

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Exile009 wrote:

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kuciol wrote:

It never PREVENTED them to be applied, its just its not 100% on crit like it always is. Not a bug. Nowhere it is stated that you cant.

Yes, but he's applying them WITH crits. Like, there is no chance to apply Sap, Scorch or Brittle in his build. He's CRITTING those ailments onto enemies.

read the post above

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Exile009 wrote:

Yes, but he's applying them WITH crits. Like, there is no chance to apply Sap, Scorch or Brittle in his build. He's CRITTING those ailments onto enemies.

It doesnt say you cant. Even on the wiki it says

Critical Strikes do not inherently apply non-Damaging Ailments – With Painseeker equipped, critical strikes do not inherently have a 100% chance to inflict non-damaging ailments: chill, freeze, shock, scorch, brittle, and sap.

Its very self explanatory honestly. It means what it says. It would have to say "crit do not apply non damaging ailments" to work like you think it does. Not a bug. Crits still can apply shock and chill too.

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kuciol wrote:

Its very self explanatory honestly. It means what it says. It would have to say "crit do not apply non damaging ailments" to work like you think it does. Not a bug. Crits still can apply shock and chill too.

In other words:
Without Paiseeker: Crit with elemental damage -> guaranteed ailment
With Painseeker: Crit with elemental damage -> ailment depends on your chance to shock, freeze, ignite, sap, brittle, scorch

This again?

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Exile009 wrote:

So it seems that despite the affix 'Critical Strikes do not inherently apply non-Damaging Ailments' seeming to suggest that it should make crits not be able to apply those ailments automatically, and the wiki page even stating that it does indeed prevent that, it actually DOES allow them to be applied by crits?!

Painseeker prevents inherent application. Nothing about Secrets of Suffering grants inherent application. It grants explicit ailments on crits. It does not grant an inherent ailment modifier.

Each modifier is working as intended according to the rules as written. If you believe this is a game design flaw, post it in Feedback and Suggestions. If GGG is anything like they were from 2013-2017, they definitely do read Feedback and Suggestions even if they don't reply.

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adghar wrote:

This again?

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Exile009 wrote:

So it seems that despite the affix 'Critical Strikes do not inherently apply non-Damaging Ailments' seeming to suggest that it should make crits not be able to apply those ailments automatically, and the wiki page even stating that it does indeed prevent that, it actually DOES allow them to be applied by crits?!

Painseeker prevents inherent application. Nothing about Secrets of Suffering grants inherent application. It grants explicit ailments on crits. It does not grant an inherent ailment modifier.

Each modifier is working as intended according to the rules as written. If you believe this is a game design flaw, post it in Feedback and Suggestions. If GGG is anything like they were from 2013-2017, they definitely do read Feedback and Suggestions even if they don't reply.

Painseeker really ought to be updated with a clearer description then, as that is beyond obtuse (I'll put that on the pile alongside how Kaoms' Roots works I guess). But until then, if you don't want to see such posts anymore, then the wiki really ought to be updated to clarify this.