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I figure it's an old enough anime by now. But yes, spoilers.

If you think Nate wrote in the Death Note, he did not. Either you misunderstood the content or have a very tinfoil hot take. Nate is not responsible for Teru's death, which was a (voluntary) suicide — or perhaps attempted suicide, as we just see blood everywhere and jump to conclusions.

I am inclined to agree that Nate was worse than Mr Lawliet. For instance, let's take the question of whether the printed rules of the Death Note were true or not. One wanted to test these empirically, and only failed to do so because an extradimensional being (!!!) stopped him from doing so. The other never seemed interested in testing the rules, even once he (believed he) had a Death Note in his possession, because his rival (!) told him so, which was in turn based on the naked assumption that the extradimensional being he met who told him it was fake didn't lie (!!!). Just imagine if, on a whim, Sidoh had said "yes, they're real."

But this doesn't really matter, because Nate was better than Teru. One could say Kira's downfall was in placing more faith in his follower than was warranted, and/or not communicating orders to him effectively enough. But I think it's a bit more systemic than that. The nature of fighting evil is that trust and working together are possible, while the nature of evil is that trust and working together are fragile, fatal with a single error.

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ScrotieMcB wrote:

I figure it's an old enough anime by now. But yes, spoilers.

If you think Nate wrote in the Death Note, he did not. Either you misunderstood the content or have a very tinfoil hot take. Nate is not responsible for Teru's death, which was a (voluntary) suicide — or perhaps attempted suicide, as we just see blood everywhere and jump to conclusions.

I am inclined to agree that Nate was worse than Mr Lawliet. For instance, let's take the question of whether the printed rules of the Death Note were true or not. One wanted to test these empirically, and only failed to do so because an extradimensional being (!!!) stopped him from doing so. The other never seemed interested in testing the rules, even once he (believed he) had a Death Note in his possession, because his rival (!) told him so, which was in turn based on the naked assumption that the extradimensional being he met who told him it was fake didn't lie (!!!). Just imagine if, on a whim, Sidoh had said "yes, they're real."

But this doesn't really matter, because Nate was better than Teru. One could say Kira's downfall was in placing more faith in his follower than was warranted, and/or not communicating orders to him effectively enough. But I think it's a bit more systemic than that. The nature of fighting evil is that trust and working together are possible, while the nature of evil is that trust and working together are fragile, fatal with a single error.

Nate is alway convinced Light is Kira, even at the start when he doesn't have any proof. He work very differently from what L is doing. He convinced of a suspect of his crime base on his suspicion not evidences. As Nate put it if he start thinking Yagami is not Kira, he would lose. He hate to lose. He care not of justice, he is working with Mello who is literally a criminal at that point possibly sheltering him as he provide valuable information to catch Kira.

Light was right, it was a trap. What proof does Nate has that Light was Kira? Mikami not writting down Light name? He have no proof that Yagami wrote on The Death Note and of those numerous killing. Most of the killing after a certain point is done by Misa and Mikami. Nate say it before, he can't prove Yagami is Kira beyond any reasonable doubt, only the suspicion that he is. It was a setup by Nate to convict Yagami base on suspicion and turn his team against him to capture him. Isn't it strange Nate care not whether the Deathnote is real or not? Nate intentional was to capture him and lock Yagami up forever without a trial; most likely wouldn't be legal. Why would they require everyone there to keep it a secret? Why would they need to lie that Yagami died fighting Kira? They are undertaking vigilante justice.

The point is to drive Yagami to self-confess by controlling Mikami making up evidences. Why WOULD NATE KNOW Mikami wouldn't discover the FORGERY? Mikami is no amateur in FORGERY. Gevanni being able to forge the death note in one night? That is 27816 names in his death note by Mikami alone, there is probably more. How many names has Yagami wrote? Gevanni had to PERFECTLY FORGED more than 38 names per minute. Try double and triple of that. IMPOSSIBLE, and nonsense. Mikami checks the notebook with a microscope every day, and find nothing wrong with that. Only way that could work was because Mikami is controlled by Nate. He can only be sure That Mikami is convinced that Deathnote is real and he knew that himself that it is real because he USED IT. How do he know which is real? Totally convinced there must be some cheating here. Death note exposes a number of possible plotholes that could only be covered in certain way. How can you be sure Nate isn't controlling Mikami using the Deathnote?

Nate could never do that, he is savior of the world. Oh no he is villain too. You either don't know it or wouldn't accept it. Nate is shady as hell. Light Yagami failing is his vanity and he is not evil enough. He shouldn't attend the meeting. Just blackmail Nate to place himself on a silver platter by threatening the high and mighty like Mello. Not many people could have figure it out (Kira's identity), if Light went all out to destroy them, there isn't many that could stop him. Instead yagami decided to play the game of cat and mouse with L and Near to prove his superiority.

Light Yagami is that smart character that act unusually dumb. Nate is the savior of the world that is also most likely a villian.

PS: The story in the Anime and Manga of Mikami is slightly different. In the Anime Mikami killed himself to help Light escape. In the manga he went crazy and died in prison 10 days after he was arrested. The original Death Note manga series is considered the canon source material.

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awesome999 wrote:

27816 names in his death note by Mikami alone

That number comes from MatPat, who would also have you believe that Light filled over 1500 pages of Death Note himself, not counting Teru's total (and that's "a conservative estimate," lul). A casual look at the Death Note shows it is not a 2000 page tome. So what this theory is proposing is simply impossible.

At a certain point we need to realize that creators of fiction are flawed, and that we're quite firmly in the land of shit the creators of Death Note didn't even think about. You can't have even two pages a week for 5+ years and have the notebooks physically appear as they do without going full Harry Potter on how pages work, which Death Note didn't (and couldn't, as it completely fucks Near's plan), so it's simply a contradictory canon.

I deny your 27000+ estimate, as well as any fan theory that spawns from it.

how the fuck did acti/blizz evolve into death note?

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ScrotieMcB wrote:

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awesome999 wrote:

27816 names in his death note by Mikami alone

That number comes from MatPat, who would also have you believe that Light filled over 1500 pages of Death Note himself, not counting Teru's total (and that's "a conservative estimate," lul). A casual look at the Death Note shows it is not a 2000 page tome. So what this theory is proposing is simply impossible.

At a certain point we need to realize that creators of fiction are flawed, and that we're quite firmly in the land of shit the creators of Death Note didn't even think about. You can't have even two pages a week for 5+ years and have the notebooks physically appear as they do without going full Harry Potter on how pages work, which Death Note didn't (and couldn't, as it completely fucks Near's plan), so it's simply a contradictory canon.

I deny your 27000+ estimate, as well as any fan theory that spawns from it.

Totally possible, if that didn't happen at all. Thus Gevanni didn't copy it, Mikami is controlled by the Deathnote. This isn't a fan theory, this theory is proposal by Touta Matsuda in the official manga in chapter 108.

Matsuda's Mikami theory is very important missing piece in Death note story. I would say due to lack no clear-cut line facts and evidences, it would be most critical piece to understand the story. To form a conclusion with very limited or lack of facts and evidences base on deductive reasoning. It is easy to rush to a conclusion based on insufficient evidences. That may not be the truth.

What is interesting is we reach different conclusion.

Dude, Mikami being controlled by the Death Note is NOT canon. I don't have the manga on hand to check, but just going by the anime here: there simply isn't evidence for your claim. It would be like acting as if it was official Death Note canon that the Sayu Yagami that they trade the Death Note for is actually a different, unrelated person who just happens to look identical to the real Sayu with the right makeup, and the imposter heard the real Sayu gushing about her home life enough that she's able to impersonate her so well that even Sayu's mother doesn't suspect anything until the real Sayu finally escapes captivity nine years later.

It's the sort of thing so bullshit that even if the actual creators of Death Note said it was canon in some manga somewhere, I would tell them calmly no, fuck you, it's not canon, everything in this episode and afterwards doesn't exist lalalala. I am confident I would do so, because I have done so before with other IPs.

Mikami being controlled by Near using the Death Note is not a thing normal people believe while consuming the content. I will never, ever accept it. Give up.

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ScrotieMcB wrote:

Mikami being controlled by Near using the Death Note is not a thing normal people believe while consuming the content. I will never, ever accept it. Give up.

Neither did Deathnote say he didn't. It is a possibility. That revelation throw your average "good triumphs over evil" story into deep confusion. Is it true or are you wrong about Deathnote all along?

PS: I guess the ordinary wouldn't get it. Near using the death note to win is believable and actually a very good plan.

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awesome999 wrote:

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ScrotieMcB wrote:

Mikami being controlled by Near using the Death Note is not a thing normal people believe while consuming the content. I will never, ever accept it. Give up.

Neither did Deathnote say he didn't. It is a possibility. That revelation throw your average "good triumphs over evil" story into deep confusion. Is it true or are you wrong about Deathnote all along?

That's like saying that the Fake Sayu theory is a possibility. No, it isn't. The reason it isn't is that Death Note is a reasonably well constructed piece of fiction that develops its characters, and the development for those characters establishes certain traits that make those outcomes impossible. Specifically, (in the anime) Near's character is developed when he explains that his team could just shoot Light and Teru causing the killings to stop, and that the aftermath would provide an opportunity to prove them right, but Near refuses to do this as he thinks L (Lawliet) would have considered it cheating and he wants to honor him. Because it is not in character for (Anime) Near to cheat, (Anime) Near didn't cheat. Period.

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ScrotieMcB wrote:

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awesome999 wrote:

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ScrotieMcB wrote:

Mikami being controlled by Near using the Death Note is not a thing normal people believe while consuming the content. I will never, ever accept it. Give up.

Neither did Deathnote say he didn't. It is a possibility. That revelation throw your average "good triumphs over evil" story into deep confusion. Is it true or are you wrong about Deathnote all along?

That's like saying that the Fake Sayu theory is a possibility. No, it isn't. The reason it isn't is that Death Note is a reasonably well constructed piece of fiction that develops its characters, and the development for those characters establishes certain traits that make those outcomes impossible. Specifically, (in the anime) Near's character is developed when he explains that his team could just shoot Light and Teru causing the killings to stop, and that the aftermath would provide an opportunity to prove them right, but Near refuses to do this as he thinks L (Lawliet) would have considered it cheating and he wants to honor him. Because it is not in character for (Anime) Near to cheat, (Anime) Near didn't cheat. Period.

Near: " if the battle is lost, no matter how good the process was, there would be no meaning to it."

Totally in character, he is totally willing to cheat or break the law to ensure he win. He show much willingness to lie. I don't believe much in people's testimony. Then again I am using his own testimony.

You must be convince Nate is the saviour of the world. Except Nate is probably a shady character, and isn't someone that can be trusted.

I have no idea about the Fake Sayu theory. No comments on that.

PS: Death Note Manga is the source of Anime adaptation. Are Naruto fillers canon in Naruto? Fillers are only canon to the anime itself and non-canon to the manga. They're not in the source material, so they're not canon to the source itself.

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