Shock Collar... I don't want to but...

...Been to three trainers. They used the clicker, they used positive reinforcement. The dog just doesn't shut the f up... LOL. So I went to a friend who trains police dogs, he said... "Buy a shock collar..."

A police dog trainer... hmmm. Here was his explanation. "It's his breed..."

So his suggestion was, leave him outside and not to put the collar on auto, meaning anytime I see him barking at the wrong thing, ex: people press the button.

If anyone know anything about dogs let me know, I have spent roughly 500$ I don't want to give him away. He is half French bull dog and poodle... cute as hell.

don't own a living creature just because they're "cute as hell"

the dog will listen/follow to the alpha. you need to be the alpha.

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xMustard wrote:

don't own a living creature just because they're "cute as hell"

the dog will listen/follow to the alpha. you need to be the alpha.

No one owns a dog cause their cute, I own him because he was adopted from a shelter. Either give me a solution or don't post.

i did give you a solution, the details just weren't hashed out

I don't have a dog. I don't have a cat either. It's not that I don't like them, it's just too much hassle (or is it hustle, I never seem to nail this one). Truth be told, they like me more than I do (animals do). My sister is a dog's person --not a general dog's body, mind you. Years ago her female german sheppherd (if I'm not terribly wrong about the race) died on me of old age —poor Sindy— and I had to break the tragic news to her. She burst into tears —naturally— and then I couldn't resist participating in the whole drama, sentimental fool that I am. Damn it, it seems like it was only yesterday. Her current male boxer is one powerful and robust son of a... bitch!!! <---Is this an oxymoron or what? She calls the dog Eron. I call him Nero, and she hates it. Sometimes I call him Jeronimo, other times I like to simply call him Nestor, even though I would ultimately choose Raskolnikov (for reasons that should not be disclosed in this particular thread), had he been mine own. What infuriates my dear sibling is that her dog responds to all the names I come up with, and he seems to enjoy it.

What I'm getting at here is that xMustard is right. To command respect of the dog one needs to be the alpha, whether one likes it or not. It's that simple.

There are a form of shock collars out there which don't give the dog an electric shock but it's a vibration. It does not hurt the animal at all. If you have to go down that route, make it an absolute last resort and do not get an electric shock collar.

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solwitch wrote:

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xMustard wrote:

don't own a living creature just because they're "cute as hell"

the dog will listen/follow to the alpha. you need to be the alpha.

No one owns a dog cause their cute, I own him because he was adopted from a shelter. Either give me a solution or don't post.

IT was weirdly formulated but he is right, each time he bark just ask him to stop, after few time not listening slap his ass, point at your feet ask him to come and ask him not to move until you tell him to move and not to growl or bark. He ll stop.

Of course if you bought one of those stupid combat dog, correcting him might not be the best solution but why the hell would anyone buy those horrible dogs anyway.

https://youtu.be/92Y0bAXv9hM?t=184

I don't recommend hitting any animal no matter how stubborn or neurotic they are, except in mortal self-defense.

Most no-kill shelters have an on-staff animal behaviourist who can help you with common behavioural issues say, within the first year after you adopt. They can do a home visit (if you don't live 300+ miles away from the next nearest paved road) and are trained to "see" your pet's new home from a pet's point of view: attractive nuisances, too many other pets/people in a small space, bullying issues between the pet and an established pet or even a human, "tells" indicating something normally innocuous is freaking the dog out and setting it on permanent guard, etc.

They may have a better grasp of which breeds tend to be more intractable, more excitable, anxious, and so on, but really it's as much nurture as nature and many dogs of any breed whatsoever come to shelter after months to years of abuse and neglect.

If you've already been down this line of inquiry and nobody has been able to give your dog lasting relief, then a vibro collar is probably the next step.

The problem there is, they see a person approaching and perceive a threat. Then they start barking, but at the same time they get an unpleasant jolt - they may actually come to associate meeting strangers with the unpleasant jolt, and not connect the dots between the barking itself and the jolt - and it will gie them a huge rush of panic and dread to meet strangers, leading to not only more barking, but perhaps biting or other panic behaviours. So be careful with negative reinforcers and anxiety in dogs.

It may be that you really do have to be there at their side and use your voice to shape their behaviour - what you WANT is for the dog to perceive your presence as reassurance that the stranger isn't a threat, AND deterrence from escalating the barking and defensive behaviour.

This of course is part and parcel of "be a good pack leader" which includes:

--Play with your damn dog. Go outside, walk around, engage with the things they find interesting, give them a chance to engage confidently and safely in things you find interesting.

--Get them used to other people. It's harder during a pandemic, but start with people you can stage meet and greets with who will adhere to Universal Precautions: mask, wash hands, distancing where possible. It's not known how COVID-19 gets around the canine community, but it's thought to be less contagious in dogs and between dogs and people, so just take a calm prudent measure.

--Give people a heads-up that your dog is excitable and that it takes them a while to get used to new folks, go about your business calmly and mostly ignore the dog but also be subconsciously aware of your body language and proximity so the dog comes to realize 99.9% of your interactions with other people are nonthreatening and do not require dog intervention. Some folks will balk at the idea they should behave differently around a certain dog, instead of running up to it and looming over it and trying to pet it or give it a treat. Fuc those people, they will learn or they will go away mad.

being assertive or "dominant" over your dog is not cruel nor is it abusive. i'll just say that first off.

you want to become the alpha and actually have the dog listen to you?
every single time the dog barks, you tell him no - make sure you make eye contact and you need to be stern and assertive. NO. not yelling, not freaking out, not out of control. DO NOT look away until after the dog has looked away or heeded your command.
if he barks again you get closer and repeat the command. do this until you reach him.

once you reach the dog you grab them by the head/neck/collar and you wrestle them to the ground. pin them on the ground and stare into their eyes. you cannot lose this battle. if you do, the dog is in control. stare into their eye until they give up and look away. it should only take a couple minutes at most.

if they get aggressive then you control them any means necessary. keep them pinned.

if they try to make a fuss and bark or howl or moan you tell them NO and maintain that eye contact.

as soon as they settle down and look away, gently release them and tell them good good and then start treating your dog normally.

now you're the alpha. but you need to remain the alpha, so if they put up a fight again then repeat the process.


PS if a dog looks to bite you or even does bite you, reach into their mouth with your fingers, either fingers in thumb out or thumb in fingers out and grab their bottom jaw, pressing down on their tongue and pinning their tongue. they will immediately let go as this is an uncontrollable gag reflex for all dogs.

Hasn't the "alpha" theory of canine social structure been recently debunked?

At any rate, we don't know your dog Sol and you do. And at the end of the day the law says you are ultimately responsible for any harm your dog does to others, or suffers in the course of behavioural correction.

So I can't really judge you if you decide to take a show-of-force approach to the barking. Just remember that a relationship based on fear or physical aggression is bound to be fragile, unrewarding, and negligent.