[3.17] The Frozen Garden - Elementalist Permafreeze Arc Mines (3.17 partial, recommend self cast)

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CantripN wrote:

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Heely337 wrote:

So with the mana changes the build gonna need a mana flask and its gonna be fine if im currect, wihtout that i think it would feel kinda clunky (well depens on the mana cost)

Hmm? No, that actually didn't do anything for this build, not even a little. That change only matters for Indigon Mines. Before the change you still lost the Mana the same.

You can outregen the loss with Clarity either way, but using a Mana flask is fine, too, just not a must.

If anything, you might have an easier time even in some cases, since Inspiration would lower the mana cost now? I need to see gems to know.

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Heely337 wrote:

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CantripN wrote:

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Heely337 wrote:

So with the mana changes the build gonna need a mana flask and its gonna be fine if im currect, wihtout that i think it would feel kinda clunky (well depens on the mana cost)

Hmm? No, that actually didn't do anything for this build, not even a little. That change only matters for Indigon Mines. Before the change you still lost the Mana the same.

You can outregen the loss with Clarity either way, but using a Mana flask is fine, too, just not a must.

If anything, you might have an easier time even in some cases, since Inspiration would lower the mana cost now? I need to see gems to know.

Well, maybe i misread something but it seems like it mines are still reserving mana and cost mana to use it so before it was like 40 mana reserved per mine placed but now its 40 mana reserved and idk 30 mana to throw it or someting. Maybe im wrong and the mana regen is enough but thats what i think, either way im probably starting with this :D Nice build btw :)

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yissus wrote:

Hi CantripN, interest build concept you made!. GGG nerf all the hardcore builds in the manifesto and a freezing build is always interesting. 3 questions:

1- How do you think this build perform in ultimatum league where you have to fight waves of monsters in a small circle? Do you think you are tanky enough? Thats what Im afraid.

2- How do you level this build from day 1 as a starter with no uniques?.

3- Do you think its a hardcore viable build?

thanks!

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CantripN wrote:

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yissus wrote:

2 - Literally level as a miner :D

xd...its too much if I ask you to make a little leveling guide? The last miner I did was 5 years ago and I dont remember what I did xd. I think Im gonna start your build. It reminds me when I made a perma freexe build years ago with cold snap :).

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yissus wrote:

xd...its too much if I ask you to make a little leveling guide? The last miner I did was 5 years ago and I dont remember what I did xd. I think Im gonna start your build. It reminds me when I made a perma freexe build years ago with cold snap :).

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Heely337 wrote:

Hmm, those mine changes are pretty interesting tbh, but im still not sure how these mana cost gonna work.
If they work as before then CantripN was right its not gonna effect the build whatsoever (and after reading the patchnotes again i think this is the case).

But the separated mana cost / reservasion is kinda interesting, currently if your mine skill cost 15 mana and you have less than 15 mana you cant use it, after the patch if im correct you can technically make it so your mines cost 0 mana (with -mana cost mods) and have a 15 mana reservation which means even if you are at 0 mana but have enough unreserved mana you can still use it making it basically free which is kinda cool :D