Development Manifesto: Harvest Crafting

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Demonoz wrote:

So eliminate the ability to trade the crafts. Only YOU who finds the crafts can use them and once you do use them on an item that item can no longer ever be traded to another player.

The game is already set up that way, except for making the items non-trade-able afterward. That will result in wasted crafts, as people either use crafts they don't need on junk items, or delete them to make room within their 10-craft limit. Meanwhile people that are desperate for them can't buy them from you for all the tea in China. NOBODY is happy.

In my opinion the problem isn't trading crafts anyway, it's the fact that you can't. You're forced to use outside avenues and forums where you have to hand over your items to strangers, trust them not to brick your shit, and people are getting ripped off left and right - rather than networking everyone's horticrafting stations together so that crafts can be directly transferred using the game's own, safe internal trading mechanisms.

GGG you are too distanced from casual players. I am in my 40s and and I squeezed extremely hard to get 2 hours of my midnight time to play POE after working and family life. This league kept me playing consistently since day 1 because there is finally something that I am able to chase.

Taking away Deterministic harvest is going to kill the hope for players like myself. I am sure my comment probably won't even be seen out of 3000+ comments. But I want to put my opinion out there!

You guys are doing it wrong!

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Pelagoth wrote:

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HowToGusta wrote:

GGG, if you're looking to replace your project leads, look to your forums. Your players seem to have more sense than you. xD

These "players" are maybe 5-20k vs over 500k that don't complain/post at all because they are happy or don't care.

What is your point?

I'm sure you're not trying to say that the opinions of the people on these forums who are complaining don't matter? Or that they are not speaking for the majority just because the rest of the player base do not voice their opinions? How do you know that they are happy/unhappy? Are you psychic?

Instead of acting like that, how about you contribute something to the community? If you don't care, why even post a nonsensical and illogical comment like that?

FYI, I couldn't care less about this nerf. I will still play POE.

What I care about is GGG making these poor decisions and not addressing things like the trade issue on TFT amongst all the other flaws that people have taken time explaining on this thread.

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LittleForBig wrote:

GGG you are too distanced from casual players. I am in my 40s and and I squeezed extremely hard to get 2 hours of my midnight time to play POE after working and family life. This league kept me playing consistently since day 1 because there is finally something that I am able to chase.

Taking away Deterministic harvest is going to kill the hope for players like myself. I am sure my comment probably won't even be seen out of 3000+ comments. But I want to put my opinion out there!

You guys are doing it wrong!

QFT

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Obright wrote:

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Demonoz wrote:

So eliminate the ability to trade the crafts. Only YOU who finds the crafts can use them and once you do use them on an item that item can no longer ever be traded to another player.

The game is already set up that way. Please tell me how the game is going to know whether you place your own item on the bench, or someone else's.

In my opinion the problem isn't trading crafts anyway, it's the fact that you can't. You're forced to use outside avenues and forums where people are getting ripped off left and right, rather than networking everyone's horticrafting stations together so that crafts can be directly transferred using the game's own, safe internal trading mechanisms.

No the game isn't setup that way.. Make it so once you apply ANY Harvest Craft that items is now tagged to no longer be tradable what so ever. Cant be listed, cant be dropped on the ground and doing so makes it show opaque like when in party with short allocation loot but, forever. Its not that hard its just something GGG have stubbornly not wanted to do but, something has to give because trading the crafts is 90% of the problem and exactly why its being nerfed like it is. Trade actually creates a large portion of the issues with this game but, they will never remove it nor make it easier to do. But, Harvest really showcases how detrimental trade is.

And making it even easier to trade Harvest crafts will just mean even further nerfs to the point it wont even be usable anymore...

i am so disappointed, i cant even find the right words, how much am i.

If the next league isn't amazing design wise, I won't be a part of it. I almost haven't touched harvest crafting this league and could have done without it. However I don't like nor understand that design choice at all, and hence I don't understand it, my trust toward GGG as a company has taken a hit.

I consider the excuses in the post as BS, and on top of that I was fairly certain that the introduction of harvest as it is was geniously made like that to appeal for the 50% of the playerbase that is good enough to plan stufi n the post game but has not business hoarding hundreds of ex each day.

So yeah, it's a big slap in the face, it breaks lots of things in my relationship to this game actually. Not particulary angry because it's life, but fairly afraid and pretty disapointed.

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LittleForBig wrote:

GGG you are too distanced from casual players. I am in my 40s and and I squeezed extremely hard to get 2 hours of my midnight time to play POE after working and family life. This league kept me playing consistently since day 1 because there is finally something that I am able to chase.

Taking away Deterministic harvest is going to kill the hope for players like myself. I am sure my comment probably won't even be seen out of 3000+ comments. But I want to put my opinion out there!

You guys are doing it wrong!

I hear you bud, unfortunately you'll have to put up with the old fashioned way if GGG don't do a u-turn. I can't see them changing their stance on this - in most cases when receiving criticism on this scale people/organisations tend to become even more adamant about their decision/s so as not to lose face.

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HowToGusta wrote:

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LittleForBig wrote:

GGG you are too distanced from casual players. I am in my 40s and and I squeezed extremely hard to get 2 hours of my midnight time to play POE after working and family life. This league kept me playing consistently since day 1 because there is finally something that I am able to chase.

Taking away Deterministic harvest is going to kill the hope for players like myself. I am sure my comment probably won't even be seen out of 3000+ comments. But I want to put my opinion out there!

You guys are doing it wrong!

I hear you bud, unfortunately you'll have to put up with the old fashioned way if GGG don't do a u-turn. I can't see them changing their stance on this - in most cases when receiving criticism on this scale people/organisations tend to become even more adamant about their decision/s so as not to lose face.

And they will pay the price in loosing players like me...

Anyone know if we can get refunds on supporters packs. I feel embarrassed to have Harvest supporter against my account after these changes. If this goes through I'll be voting with my wallet going forward.