Development Manifesto: Harvest Crafting

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Daehak wrote:

At least you posted the destruction of Harvest in advance of the next league launch, going by your established deceitful and spiteful nature i'd have, based on past actions, expected the harvest destruction as part of the nerf notes, giving only a few days notice before launch.

Anyways...
I just got 5 guys from work interested in signing up for next month with the new league. 3 had played before but said the game was shit but i swore to them that it had got better, Now I am going to have to tell them they were right and to not bother with next month. THANKFULLY they had not got their supporter packs and stash tabs.

Its sad that 200, 300? of the top 1% players got to dupe, split and print 6 link white bases and then had fun crafting hundreds or thousands of god tire items, only to have forever ruined the game for the rest of us.

I read your manifesto Chris, and I call all your responses to justify the destruction bullshit. You obviously lost touch with this game along time ago, the biggest problem with poe now, is you.

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MackBesmirch wrote:

BUMMER!

I had made my peace in 3.12 that harvest was just not gonna be in the core game. But I've loved Harvest in 3/13, especially with the Atlas passives.

I agree that high-level deterministic crafting is too easy. I felt that power in Harvest league, and it felt too broken that someone with my casual playstyle could access a 20-exalt chest piece for a mere few chaos as I played the game normally.

On the other hand... crafting needs to have some balance between deterministic and total RNG. Essences and fossils seem to meet this balance. And even unlocking bench crafts require some degree of RNG with the Syndicate, or gates in the Mines or with Prophecy chains... but the feeling with bench crafts is that you'll unlock them all if you just play enough.

I'd love to see the value of deterministic crafting mitigated more by definitive investment or a stabilizing, flat cost. Kinda like the Bench crafts for Sockets and Links. I love that [assuming I unlock the recipe] I can just spend 300 Jeweller's Orbs to get 6 sockets and another 1500 Fusings to 6-socket it. It's not cheap -- usually more expensive than RNG/spamming it -- but for the less risk-tolerant, or for those who want to grind toward something that's a sure bet, it's wonderful.

If it's the cost/benefit of the rush of spending an Exalt to get a good mod or a crappy mod, couldn't you just make a deterministic crafting bench option that cost multiple Exalt? At least then, players could have something reliable to work towards... do oyu want to get 10 Exalts to buy something or to add that one craft to your item? Either way, you know you need 10. And it would still require deep knowledge of the game, tags, and mod-blocking to achieve such a desired result.

I think that for solo self-found, solo gamers in general, and more casual players or players who have limited amounts of time to invest in the game, some sort of deterministic crafting -- even if it's only late-game -- is beneficial.

Like, you want a 6-link Crusader Explody Chest? YOU CAN MAKE IT... but it still might be cheaper to just buy it.

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dzmv95 wrote:

Possibly the worst decision ever made in PoE, clearly you don't really have a grip on what 99% of your playerbase do.
Stop looking at the very top and start watching at the majority of players on which this huge nerf actually has an effect.
Aquiring very good pieces, was one of the thing that kept people grinding in the game, buying a not-that-bad rolled item on the trade website takes no effort and does the job.
When the next step you gotta do to min max your build is hundreds exs away, you just lose motivation and go play something else.
I personally skipped heist league cause I thought that the choice of removing harvest entirely from the game was an exaggeration, but brutaliazing it this way is not that better.
The excitement and the satisfaction of planning your own pieces just won't exist anymore and I don't think this is anything near to a good thing for the game.