what the fuck is cyberpunk

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Foreverhappychan wrote:

This cynical little jaunt out of the grazing pasture sure would have a lot more bite without all those supporter badges for a game owned by a soulless Chinese megacorp, but eh, I'm sure you feel like you get your money's worth. ^_^

say what?
ya i've donated a bunch to this game. not because of who owns it etc, but because i love this game and i knew i'd be playing it for years upon years.
also it wasn't a "soulless Chinese megacorp" then, not like that should matter. i bought things because i wanted to look badass.

also if you care to notice i haven't purchased a pack in a very long time. im not even quite sure when the last one i bought was but its probably been over a year.

anyway i've been very vocal about this cyberpunk garbage, essentially just telling people to wise up and hold companies accountable with your money. i feel the same way toward GGG. this isn't specifically why i haven't bought a pack in awhile, but people have all the right to withhold money from them if they don't like what they are doing/have done (like selling to Tencent).
all the more power to you, as the consumer. the power is yours, by the way. but unfortunately gamers are addicts and don't give a shit about quality. they just want the next fix and will put up with anything and pay anything to get it.

the way the whole CP thing went down, from years of hype, then refusing console reviewer copies, unable to have original footage in any review pre-release etc, to now it being an unplayable mess on old gen consoles and still a buggy crap show everywhere else, to apologizing and trying to gain back credibility by promising refunds which are REFUSED because cdpred forgot to mention (or cleverly left out of telling) that refunds are still subject to normal platform policies (dictated by Sony and the like) which is leading to people not getting refunds blah blah blah
its a shit show

i've been around this game for a very long time. since open beta. i haven't seen GGG go through any such controversy, and they're more open with their community than any other gaming company i've witnessed.
not exactly a comparable thing

but i get it, you're just a troll. i hope you feel accomplished that you got so many words out of me in a reply

Teehee. Gotcha.

We all make mistakes. I still deeply regret buying Wolcen.

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Johny_Snow wrote:

I still struggle to understand why citizen NPC behavior is so important. Are we there to watch them or to play?

But then again, I never understood the need to build "player homes" (hideouts here) or to have "realistic needs". We are here to play, not to live.

Did you play read dead redemption 2? those Npc are immersion incarnated.

Also why we can t even even get a 2-3 lines of code for robbing-helping-antagonizing npc-directions, would have been a great addition.

Well I am sure we will see mods like those on the Nexus soon enough.

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Johny_Snow wrote:

We all make mistakes. I still deeply regret buying Wolcen.

I wish I did. I want to be one of the cool kids playing the cool games. Instead here I am pushing 2.2k hours on it like a fucking nerd in the basement painting knock-off Warhammer figurines. It's been one of the best gaming investments I've ever made, rivalled only by Guild Wars 1 (5k or so hours) and the Diablos (which is cheating; mostly I just chatted on battle.net). You and everyone else can go on and on about how bad it is; I won't disagree. But it is a fact that I deeply enjoy it, far too much to bother trying to reconcile this difference in opinions. :)

...I deeply regret buying Dungeon Siege 3. Paid twice as much as for Wolcen, played it for a whole 2 hours. I also deeply regret buying Overwatch: 3 times as much for a game a friend wanted to try and I hated every fucking second of it, and sometimes was even gracious enough not to tell him. But I really, really regret buying the Grandmaster pack for Path of Exile. 500 bucks USD to put a carefully built character in only to have it nerfed to oblivion retroactively because Grandmasters weren't considered monsters but players, subject to skill nerfs. That, sir, was a scam. Wolcen? Just a rip-off, at worst. A disappointingly mediocre delivery of a brilliant concept.

The Grandmaster pack? Fucking. Scam.

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xMustard wrote:

anyway i've been very vocal about this cyberpunk garbage, essentially just telling people to wise up and hold companies accountable with your money.

Tbh, the garbage is universal. It's not just about Cyberpunk or CDPR, it's about pre-orders, Day 1 purchases and the power of marketing in general. It doesn't matter what company it is, you should never pre-order. The only time it ever makes sense is if there's a significant discount between the earlier price and the release price, in which case the company deserves all the hate for that. CDPR messed up sure, but they're not alone in messing up like this. The problem is gamers are hopeless. This is why I laugh whenever I see people claiming they're gonna boycott this game or that company, whatever the reason. There's hardly any examples of successful (not 'media successful' aka it gets a lot of attention, but actually 'denting the product revenue' successful) consumer boycotts, outside of literal national revolutions / freedom struggles. Even a certain famous global movement against a certain infamous little country has achieved jack squat. The day I see FIFA stop selling the same game year after year is the day I finally start believing those claims actually hold any water.

I think cdpr will patch and patch and patch this cyberpunk similar to no man's sky. Because they should value their reputation enough.

After playing for more hours I realize that the game should have been sold just like Baldur's Gate III. As a Beta WIP. Because yeah... mechanically it's really confused. You know because Borderlands is a pretty rich template for how to handle quests and narration without interrupting the action.

But apparently CDPR are not Gearbox fans because no one seems to have learned anything from the Borderlands series. You can have like 2-3 convos criss crossing one another at the same time while some guy starts shooting you so then V says, "Gotta delta" and when the fight is over you awkwardly pick up on the convo again. It's just silly. I don't know how they have the convos stumbling over each other's feet like that if it isn't a beta.

Dragon Quest Definitive Edition is free on game pass... and Epic Games gave away Pillars of Eternity and Tryanny. So I'll probably be swapping out Cyberpunk from the rotation from one of those. If not for the nudity I'd just give the game to my nephew at this point. Seeing as I bought it on GoG so I should be able to do that.

Everyone's entitled to their own opinion. I'm glad some people like it and some people hate it. :P

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Johny_Snow wrote:

I still struggle to understand why citizen NPC behavior is so important. Are we there to watch them or to play?

I picked it because it's one of the most common game features developers choose to hype for this type of game. Most, if not all, do it to one extent or another. If there are many seemingly "random" NPCs and it's a "AAA" developer, you could win good money betting in favor of them coming out with marketing hype that implies these NPCs are all individually simulate and appear to be living in a "living world."

And, nobody has lived up to that claim yet, no matter how hard they push it in their marketing hype. Why? Because they just give an "interpretation" of what their game is presenting that is cast in the very best, most gullible and innocent, light possible... In reality? They've just got a spawn spot called "home" and a set regimen dictated by a clock... But, that doesn't sound hypeworthy, does it? So, the dev rewords it as "living world" and pretends they're not lying by omission to their prospective customers.

Any interpretative statements that rely on an assumed impression a player may have when playing the game is a license to lie. A big license to lie bigly.

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But then again, I never understood the need to build "player homes" (hideouts here) or to have "realistic needs". We are here to play, not to live.

That's true, but games trying to immerse the player and to give them a feeling of achievement as well as some "open world" interactions tend to provide things like that.

But, you've hit on another widely used bit of hype - Player housing. OK... whoopdeedo, they built some extra assets and call it a "player house." Big. Friggin' Deal. But, they will hype the crap out of it because a good many players love that kind of thing.

Now, if you could build it exactly like you wanted it, with walls and corridors, kitchens and bedrooms, and choose basically anywhere in the game to build it... That would require a bit more "work" by developers. Putting in a player-instance and calling it "home" is a no-brainer they can give an intern to do. (But, since it's a likely source of continuing purchases and vanity items, it's probably a high priority. :))

PS: I just took a trip over to the Steam forums for Cyberpunk 2077. That place is humming... Every front-page thread is created "just now." LOLZ.

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Exile009 wrote:

Tbh, the garbage is universal. It's not just about Cyberpunk or CDPR, it's about pre-orders, Day 1 purchases and the power of marketing in general. It doesn't matter what company it is, you should never pre-order. The only time it ever makes sense is if there's a significant discount between the earlier price and the release price, in which case the company deserves all the hate for that. CDPR messed up sure, but they're not alone in messing up like this. The problem is gamers are hopeless.

this is exactly how im vocal about it. its just that the latest cyberpunk situation is the most recent debacle so its worth specifically mentioning.
but i 100% agree with you

i dont typically boycott things but i for one will never play (or rather pay) for cyberpunk, thats for sure.
mostly my own personal choices are just trying for myself to avoid being a part of the mess when it inevitably turns into one. at least for the gaming industry, lol
that means zero pre-order. zero games currently in development. zero buying on release.
but ya i'd say majority of gamers don't have the willpower to hold out a couple weeks or a month