Will Harvest Become Core Path of Exile Content?

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jsfd26 wrote:

Harvest is a horrible league. And it's not even about the crafting part of it.

The whole cycling thing? Crap.

League isn't very party friendly either. Instead of splitting seeds between players, you have to wait until the next instance and hope that the cache belongs to you.

Blah blah blah

At least you did one thing right in not making it core and I hope it stays away for a long time.

Actually, cache belongs to the map creator.

I plays in party with my husband and we would alternate as map creators every time our 9 t1s plots would be ready.

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Wissle wrote:

I cannot judge the expertise of a player based on their forum posts or badges. But I CAN observe what people say in this thread and as I've pointed out many tons-of-badges-people spoke in support of deterministic crafting.
So whether or not the argumentation that people who like deterministic crafting are more often than not noobs is perhaps up to debate but that their opinions don't matter because they don't spend anything on the game anyhow (that's the important part) is clearly and provably wrong.

Actually I wasn't thinking about the money spent in the game as a "right" to speak. Everyone can speak their preferences, of course.

I've bought every single supporter pack since the game came out on console, but I don't think that makes me an expert whatsoever.
I have a good knowledge of the crafting system because I liked it since I started playing. But, for example, I can't make a build from scratch on PoB. I usually pick a build i like from a guide and starting from there I personalise it to meet my playstyile and the Console problems (like, no 404038 minions).

But I've played many games and many arpg in my life (I'm 38) and I've learned that in these kind of games, the harder the better.
Poe doesn't require any actual skills (it's not an esports), the "combat system" is basically zero (especially in its current state of one shots, its not a Souls like type of game). Everything revolve around knowledge of how to make currency, how to build a char and how to get gear.
I imagine that a casual player (I don't like the definition, but that's how they are called nowadays) pick a build from some guide (and here you take out one of the 3 pillars of the game), then with harvest he crafts anything he needs with little to zero effort (second pillar of the game is down). It's not hard to imagine that with no chase items, no build brainstorming and just the currencies pillar (less important when you can craft everything by yourself easily) the core of the game will just collapse and people (wheatear causal or hardcore players) will loose interest in the game.
I'm not against deterministic crafting.
I'm all against THIS deterministic crafting.
As a crafter when I started the league (BTW, my first league, always been a standard player due to time that I can invest in the game) and I crafted my first perfect Elusive Tailwind Boots I was fucking excited. I could only dream to craft anything like that in standard (and I've spent thousand of ex crafting in standard..). But when then I crafted the perfect Explo chest, then the perfect ice shot bow, then the perfect whatever, the excitement was just falling down. I'm still playing the league ONLY because I want to craft stuff for my other characters in standard. I'm pretty sure that if they announced that Harvest was going core in its current state, I would have dropped the league and soon the game.
I love min maxing if its hard and is a long term aim.
If min maxing my chars would take a week, I would loose interest in the game just as I lost interest in D3 after 3 months.
Peace.

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Asra101010 wrote:

The point they are missing, in my opinion, is that they got over excited about that Explo Chest/TailElusive boots or whatever, exactly because they could not get one before Harvest due to the absurd luck/currencies needed to craft it. Once that item become easy to craft, no more excitement for them. With harvest crafting staying in the game, they would get it every fucking league and after a few leagues (actually much less) no more over excitement.. .. Just plain boredom in having an easy access to something that a few months ago was a wet dream.

And, as a reminder, no GG items are needed to complete the whole game.

I personally have been playing on and off for a few years, am a mother of 3 (under 4) and yes, don't have 10+ hours to spend on the game daily. And I've never gotten the explosive chest or tailwind boots.

That's not why I would like the deterministic crafting to be reintroduced, even if tweaked, later.

Some options were refreshing and helpful. They helped me get more acquainted with crafting and I tried both methods for a few crafting projects, old and harvest. I never bought or sold crafts either. The only person I got help from on a few fixings was my husband because he farmed his own seeds and got an option I didn't. Otherwise, I farmed my own seeds and used my own crafts I obtained. Oe bought seeds I needed and got lucky with the results. Those options that can help you fix an item you bricked solid were nifty and I would be glad to see them return in some way.

Clearly, crafts being non tradable but seeds being tradable would have helped curb that power creep, as I've stated before.

You are right in saying you don't need God tier items to beat the game. Still, having a little help went a long way to boost the enjoyment for me.

Some of those crafts, such as the tailwind boots and explo chest should be harder to get for sure but other options (such as change an ele resist type) were godsends.

I really don't get all the whiners. They happily play min/max builds that near photocopies of each other and use gear out of price range of most players. For once a system comes along that allows unique builds to craft gear to cater to each unique build without having to grind 8 hours a day to pay for it. I think it is great and has brought a lot more diversity to characters and is great seeing people trying different builds because they know they have control in crafting to do it without needing a fall back unique.

Is pure hypocrisy to complain about min max crafting when using a min max build.

Finally if you don't like it then don't use it, no one is chaining you in garden.

Also it still takes a lot of time and work to do, it is not like the mods that common and getting top tier is even rarer. My best piece of gear is still a vaaled unique because even with full tier 1 rolls there are mods and scores unobtainable from garden.

harvest has been fun, but i'm glad to read this post. i think you have made the right call here. don't go core with harvest.

when it's time to re-introduce deterministic crafting again, you can just take your time with that. don't rush it.

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Bellaluna1722 wrote:

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Asra101010 wrote:

The point they are missing, in my opinion, is that they got over excited about that Explo Chest/TailElusive boots or whatever, exactly because they could not get one before Harvest due to the absurd luck/currencies needed to craft it. Once that item become easy to craft, no more excitement for them. With harvest crafting staying in the game, they would get it every fucking league and after a few leagues (actually much less) no more over excitement.. .. Just plain boredom in having an easy access to something that a few months ago was a wet dream.

And, as a reminder, no GG items are needed to complete the whole game.

I personally have been playing on and off for a few years, am a mother of 3 (under 4) and yes, don't have 10+ hours to spend on the game daily. And I've never gotten the explosive chest or tailwind boots.

That's not why I would like the deterministic crafting to be reintroduced, even if tweaked, later.

Some options were refreshing and helpful. They helped me get more acquainted with crafting and I tried both methods for a few crafting projects, old and harvest. I never bought or sold crafts either. The only person I got help from on a few fixings was my husband because he farmed his own seeds and got an option I didn't. Otherwise, I farmed my own seeds and used my own crafts I obtained. Oe bought seeds I needed and got lucky with the results. Those options that can help you fix an item you bricked solid were nifty and I would be glad to see them return in some way.

Clearly, crafts being non tradable but seeds being tradable would have helped curb that power creep, as I've stated before.

You are right in saying you don't need God tier items to beat the game. Still, having a little help went a long way to boost the enjoyment for me.

Some of those crafts, such as the tailwind boots and explo chest should be harder to get for sure but other options (such as change an ele resist type) were godsends.

Agree with everything you wrote.
As I said I'm not against deterministic craft.
The switch resistance is cool and doesn't break the game.
I did not buy any craft and only bought seeds (console market is miles away from the pc counterpart) but still I managed to get the perfect explo chest within the first week (check the char Legolas). And got other 5 perfect explo chest variants in the following weeks.
That's not cool imo.
I'm basically crafting perfect pieces of gear for all my char on standard (the missing part at least, as I have some legacy pieces there that could still be better than the perfect rolled pieces from harvest). 100% I'll finish all of them before the league end.
Then don't know what will happen, I'll do new chars i Guess because I can't see the point in playing again chars with perfect gear on standard.

The most sensible, rational, sane, sage decision.

Take the knife deeper, remove Metamorph and Delirium from the core as well. New ideas will flow.

Not forgetting, remove all items from this league, you will allow Standard League to be destroyed, as ridiculous as obscene.

Hope not

Finally, a way for casual/new players(you know ... 98% of the players) to get some fun out of this game do some conquerers, Sirus, etc,



GGG Hold my glass !!!


as for the ... pro`s (pro in POE involves having time to play......) don`t forget that us the key-workers the ones that took you all out of the pandemic while you stood locked in your houses ... I believe that we too deserve 2-3 hours of using headhunter/tailwind boots/explo chest ... stop behaving like you own the game because the reality is we are 99 times more than you guys in this game what GGG should do is remove the stupid 12-15 tiers or whatever number they have on each affix I don`t know if tiers lower than 4 affects a builds in any way ... if Chris Wilson (all the respect) has R&G in his blood as he stated in the bareclast podcast well he should add 20-30 tiers for the People that play a lot so that they can feel this R&G thing(I HATE IT this is not crafting stop calling ORB SPAMMING LIKE THAT, ORB SPAMMING IS ORBS SPAMMING NOT CRAFTING) REALITY THIS GAME`s Craft (pre Harvest) is at the Crafting Bench / Vendor Recipe that is the only craft of the game. Any randomly added affix on a weapon/armor/jewelry is called AUGMENTING. I have over 20 years of gaming and complex games...
I`m sick of streamers defending this decision Malthael got 1000 dislikes and most of the streamers that have said that Harvest should not be part of the core game deserve 50 extra tiers for their equipment so that they feel like the rest of us .. powerless, knowledgeless ... and I agree its not good to roll divination cards and get 5 mirors / 5 head hunter etc ... but also playing 3 months and getting 3-4 exalted orbs it's not good what about them? stop seriously STOP with this idea...

POE is a game in which you mix the passives from 6 classes with the attributes and you add 20 prefixes and 20 suffixes with 15 tiers to the equipment that`s the complexity of Poe... Uniques are as useful as 1 alchemy orb (the majority of them) if there is a decent unique it only drops in a specific way and can be made by the players that have the time and obviously will have the price of a truck...

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KinJin91 wrote:

Remove Harvest completely. Ty. I like you GGG but this league was a fail for me personally the first time ever. I even liked Synthesis a lot more.

Majority of players are just low IQ'ed, not realizing how Harvest league is/was destroying the core game completely:
Hunting for the good items by actually slaying monsters and not by rerolling 100 times some random items.

well, thanks mate and ... REALLY majority of us are low IQ's? Because you are a no lifer? and you have the time to play and we need to save to planet from a pandemic thanks for calling me low IQ`ed .. since I can speak 6 languages, have 2 universities, master in Management and Managing over 500 people daily ... well, now I know why ... because I`m low IQ ... EVERYONE THAT is against this is against because they lose the MONOPOLY game ... I understand that you believe that we are all a bunch of idiots but some of us simply want to enjoy 2-3 hours a day and not die like a bunch of idiots simply because there`s no gear and we don`t have the time to make it as other people do ...