Elemental bow witch

Short update on my own failings as bow witch:
because of this (and another) posting i was trying to make a bow witch of my own over the last few days. Aim: CI crit witch using LA with a Lionseye + Blackgleam that were gathering dust in my stash. Result: Not playable.
1) The mana pool is too small to handle both the auras and the mananeeds of LA (or RoA or whatever). Even with a leveled up clarity running (that too has to be squeezed into the manapool) mana consumption > mana regeneration. The impossibility to use blood magic gem is too big an obstacle. And no, mana leech gem ain't enough to carry the burden.
2) The requirement for pure ES gear (playing CI here) is a nightmare in chroms. I quit the whole experiment before i burned through my whole stock of chroms, trying to get rid of all the blue sockets.

Consequences: Don't know how viable a hybrid HP/ES build is, but if i ever try another Lionseye witch, i'd probably go with Eldritch Battery and Eva and Eva/Es gear and the following core build (don't know if that would be playable, still lacking DEX)
Passive skill tree build

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Bada_Bing wrote:

Short update on my own failings as bow witch:
because of this (and another) posting i was trying to make a bow witch of my own over the last few days. Aim: CI crit witch using LA with a Lionseye + Blackgleam that were gathering dust in my stash. Result: Not playable.
1) The mana pool is too small to handle both the auras and the mananeeds of LA (or RoA or whatever). Even with a leveled up clarity running (that too has to be squeezed into the manapool) mana consumption > mana regeneration. The impossibility to use blood magic gem is too big an obstacle. And no, mana leech gem ain't enough to carry the burden.
2) The requirement for pure ES gear (playing CI here) is a nightmare in chroms. I quit the whole experiment before i burned through my whole stock of chroms, trying to get rid of all the blue sockets.

Consequences: Don't know how viable a hybrid HP/ES build is, but if i ever try another Lionseye witch, i'd probably go with Eldritch Battery and Eva and Eva/Es gear and the following core build (don't know if that would be playable, still lacking DEX)
Passive skill tree build

I suggest you start as a regular witch if your lacking dex. Then you can then change to bow witch when you have enough dex items and passives.

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Bada_Bing wrote:

Short update on my own failings as bow witch:
because of this (and another) posting i was trying to make a bow witch of my own over the last few days. Aim: CI crit witch using LA with a Lionseye + Blackgleam that were gathering dust in my stash. Result: Not playable.
1) The mana pool is too small to handle both the auras and the mananeeds of LA (or RoA or whatever). Even with a leveled up clarity running (that too has to be squeezed into the manapool) mana consumption > mana regeneration. The impossibility to use blood magic gem is too big an obstacle. And no, mana leech gem ain't enough to carry the burden.
2) The requirement for pure ES gear (playing CI here) is a nightmare in chroms. I quit the whole experiment before i burned through my whole stock of chroms, trying to get rid of all the blue sockets.

Consequences: Don't know how viable a hybrid HP/ES build is, but if i ever try another Lionseye witch, i'd probably go with Eldritch Battery and Eva and Eva/Es gear and the following core build (don't know if that would be playable, still lacking DEX)
Passive skill tree build

1)the only benefit you gain by going ci is 25% physical damage reduction, if you are using Dark Scorn, you are better off going EB for aura stack+diciplane+clarity+purity if you are going for bow build with witch or shadow, ci kind of forces you to go for casters or melee as becoming ci with bow has no merits aside from dark scorn.

2) Yes but you can use hybrid gear as your chest or use your bow, until you get the 6 LS vaal regalia to chrome, but it isn't worth your efforts at all.
by going ci= you will need gears with exact mods= double gear dependent, especially with bows.

Dex problems can be solved with dex passives until you find a gear, the bow witch is something rich players do for fun (unless you are getting EB, and 6 LS armor/6 LS lioneye's glare)

PS: Mana problems is easy to solve if you have mana leech.

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Bada_Bing wrote:

Short update on my own failings as bow witch:
because of this (and another) posting i was trying to make a bow witch of my own over the last few days. Aim: CI crit witch using LA with a Lionseye + Blackgleam that were gathering dust in my stash. Result: Not playable.
1) The mana pool is too small to handle both the auras and the mananeeds of LA (or RoA or whatever). Even with a leveled up clarity running (that too has to be squeezed into the manapool) mana consumption > mana regeneration. The impossibility to use blood magic gem is too big an obstacle. And no, mana leech gem ain't enough to carry the burden.
2) The requirement for pure ES gear (playing CI here) is a nightmare in chroms. I quit the whole experiment before i burned through my whole stock of chroms, trying to get rid of all the blue sockets.

Consequences: Don't know how viable a hybrid HP/ES build is, but if i ever try another Lionseye witch, i'd probably go with Eldritch Battery and Eva and Eva/Es gear and the following core build (don't know if that would be playable, still lacking DEX)
Passive skill tree build

Go with a pure health witch. Run blood magic gem on LA or RoA. This free up the mana to get 2+ auras.

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Galneryus wrote:

PS: Mana problems is easy to solve if you have mana leech.

I don't think so. The only effective way to solve mana problems is with blood magic. Either in gem or skill form.

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deadlylag wrote:

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Galneryus wrote:

PS: Mana problems is easy to solve if you have mana leech.

I don't think so. The only effective way to solve mana problems is with blood magic. Either in gem or skill form.

I have EB bow shadow and he has no mana problem with 100+ mana cost split arrow with mana leech.

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Bada_Bing wrote:

Short update on my own failings as bow witch:
because of this (and another) posting i was trying to make a bow witch of my own over the last few days. Aim: CI crit witch using LA with a Lionseye + Blackgleam that were gathering dust in my stash. Result: Not playable.
1) The mana pool is too small to handle both the auras and the mananeeds of LA (or RoA or whatever). Even with a leveled up clarity running (that too has to be squeezed into the manapool) mana consumption > mana regeneration. The impossibility to use blood magic gem is too big an obstacle. And no, mana leech gem ain't enough to carry the burden.
2) The requirement for pure ES gear (playing CI here) is a nightmare in chroms. I quit the whole experiment before i burned through my whole stock of chroms, trying to get rid of all the blue sockets.

Consequences: Don't know how viable a hybrid HP/ES build is, but if i ever try another Lionseye witch, i'd probably go with Eldritch Battery and Eva and Eva/Es gear and the following core build (don't know if that would be playable, still lacking DEX)
Passive skill tree build

How about actually rolling the colours on your bow.. LA is pretty bad without EB/Blood magic, but RoA should be just fine with mana leech. Post your build, it could be the problem.

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Namenemas wrote:

How about actually rolling the colours on your bow.. LA is pretty bad without EB/Blood magic, but RoA should be just fine with mana leech. Post your build, it could be the problem.

No need flogging a dead horse.
Starting as a witch and having to wade through all the INT nodes is handicap enough. Taking CI + bow is just a very very bad idea, no matter what build.

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Bada_Bing wrote:

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Namenemas wrote:

How about actually rolling the colours on your bow.. LA is pretty bad without EB/Blood magic, but RoA should be just fine with mana leech. Post your build, it could be the problem.

No need flogging a dead horse.
Starting as a witch and having to wade through all the INT nodes is handicap enough. Taking CI + bow is just a very very bad idea, no matter what build.

I kind of agree on you. I guess its not a good idea of getting CI with bow.

This is the build i made up, i mostly only play witch class, and i was obsessed about a bow witch for quite some time, so when i got bored with my EK witch, i started to build it. Im lvl 68 on HC atm, farming/grinding merci City of Sarn. My thoughts about the journey so far: its a great trip. Downsides - DEX! This is the number 1 downside for the build, i pick up only 2 +30 nodes, im planning on using a thicket bow with some good ele dmg rolls, so i need more dex on gear. Best way to get it is to get yourself a Light Quiver with base +40 Dex, and more dex as a mod on it. You can end up with a quiver with about +80 Dex and +% ele dmg, life, res - i saw one on the trade chat, expensive like hell :P You need to get an ammy with + dex or + all stats. This 2 gear pieces can set you up fine, ofc you can always find other gear pieces with +dex on it. Other downsides are.... well, tbh i dont see any more of those. Is it gear dependant? Ofc. You need to stack dex, res, life, mana/es and regen, probably leech, attack speed on gloves is good, +% ele dmg etc. And other thing - getting 1 or 2 pieces of gear with insane ES to boost your mana pool greatly, is a bit hard to get. Im using Frenzy as main attack(4 charges, picked up 1 extra from Kraityn merc), Split Arrow for AoE (Im lvling Lightning Arrow in swap gear - i WAS using it, and using it it gives me quicker clear speed i think, and still can - its just the insanely IRRITATING effect of it and screen lag, + the SOUND of it, man... i refuse to use it atm, i hope they will work on it in the closer future and on the effects in general). Ive play 90% of the time solo, all bosses and quests etc. I only group when i grind/farm some zones, so you cant say im doing poorly and group hugging all the way up ;P ATM as for auras goes - i use standard Discipline, Clarity, Wrath, Anger, Grace(boosting my EVA to about 25/30%, its always good to have some evasion then have none, and its cheap on mana), Purity(to have the ele res boost i need, without it i have about 40% on all res, when i get more res on gear i will dump it for Haste), when my mana pool gets bigger and can afford it, i will add Determination to it. Heres my gear, if someone is interested (using the trick with reduced mana gem swapping when turning on auras), atm im looking for a Bow upgrade, thicket with 3 ele dmg rolls.