Content Update 3.10.0 -- Path of Exile: Delirium

I love how people bitching about Necro nerf because they taste it

Thoses same people doesn't know that summoners was " FINE " before summoners rework so yeah ...

what can else can i say ?

just use your brain cells and think twice before posting no sense on this thread.

I guess it's cheaper gear for Summoner player.

Going down the Riot's way of "balancing"?

I'm done with this game, like I'm done with League.

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when asked about best games to play, I will rather say ‘well, I play POE because I found no better alternative even though I don’t like the direction it follows in the last several months’ than ‘I play POE, it’s a great game, you should try it’.

+1 Will also play, but on Standard

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SunsEater wrote:

So, we have around 150 skills that can kill, not counting the vaal. And more than 15% of the players play with cyclone, which is one of the most powerful skills today, and has always been at least very strong, and receives no nerf?

Do not forget that 15% of players uses zombies. Almost all zombie-mancers use cyclone with CWC, just to cast Desecrate and Spirit Offering, and also gain Fortify and reduced damage due to an Infusion. Cyclone as a skill is absolutely useless for minion builds. Cast While Channelling is what they need. The real use of a Cyclone as a skill that can kill is less than 5%, but in comparison to many other melee skills it is still quite efficient and popular (Molten strike was 0.9% other ones are far less popular than MS).

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Gearborn wrote:

People should really stop with the argument that nerfs are bad because an op build doesn't affect/hurt anybody else so why hurt build.

Even if you 100% ignore the trading/currency aspect of it, the real reason things like summoners need nerfing when they get too OP is that OP builds 100% DO affect all other builders. Why? Because if something like summoners staying OP is left in the game, the developers are left with only 1 other choice... to buff all the content to make it so the summoners can't steamroll everything, which would make the content too hard for most other builds.

This is why things get nerfed and buffed, regardless of whether or not if affects you personally. If 25% of the league uses a specific build, it's likely because it's OP so the devs did the right thing in nerfing it so that the rest of the content doesn't have to be buffed against it, thus completely killing the ability to use other builds.

TLDR, nerfing OP builds does 100% impact non op builds by letting the developers balance the content evenly for all builds, vs having it only be viable for a select few. So please stop with the "why does my build being OP hurt your build in any way?" argument, because having OP builds does in fact hurt all builds.

yes, by nerfing the OP builds and then buffing mobs that absolutely helps underperforming builds.

In the game of nerfs, you can either get nerfed now, or nerfed next league.

Thanks again for the nerfs GGG. [Removed by Support] - hope springs eternal.

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Mark__75 wrote:

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SunsEater wrote:

So, we have around 150 skills that can kill, not counting the vaal. And more than 15% of the players play with cyclone, which is one of the most powerful skills today, and has always been at least very strong, and receives no nerf?

Do not forget that 15% of players uses zombies. Almost all zombie-mancers use cyclone with CWC, just to cast Desecrate and Spirit Offering, and also gain Fortify and reduced damage due to an Infusion. Cyclone as a skill is absolutely useless for minion builds. Cast While Channelling is what they need. The real use of a Cyclone as a skill that can kill is less than 5%, but in comparison to many other melee skills it is still quite efficient and popular (Molten strike was 0.9% other ones are far less popular than MS).

Yeah, i forgot that, thank you.
You are correct, but even so, i still find cyclone very meta, and it could be easily nerfed.
By the way, I didn't mention it in my comment, but this summoner nerf was ridiculous, it should have been 3x more nerfed

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SunsEater wrote:

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Mark__75 wrote:

Do not forget that 15% of players uses zombies. Almost all zombie-mancers use cyclone with CWC, just to cast Desecrate and Spirit Offering, and also gain Fortify and reduced damage due to an Infusion. Cyclone as a skill is absolutely useless for minion builds. Cast While Channelling is what they need. The real use of a Cyclone as a skill that can kill is less than 5%, but in comparison to many other melee skills it is still quite efficient and popular (Molten strike was 0.9% other ones are far less popular than MS).

Yeah, i forgot that, thank you.
You are correct, but even so, i still find cyclone very meta, and it could be easily nerfed.
By the way, I didn't mention it in my comment, but this summoner nerf was ridiculous, it should have been 3x more nerfed

Those minion builds started to be a cancer of this game (I have mentioned that few pages ago). Most of people incl. GGG do not realise, the real reason of that: other active / killing skills just sucks. In some cases it is only a matter of invested time and money, in some cases they are not viable at all, no matter what you will do.
Ok... maybe you can still use few of them, but they do not fit to the buffed bosses and to new leagues content, which are optimised for builds with at least 1M DPS. DPS>3M on necro? No problem! With almost no gear you can have a DPS few M. Try to do that with some melee skills, or some old spells (which were playable and quite good 3-4 years ago). Even if you would spend twice much currency on those builds they will still be too weak.
But there are more reasons - some ascendancies are too strong and some are just useless. Necromancer has great ascendancy passives (boosting both - DPS and survivability), Guardian has quite strong ones too. Duellist all 3 ascendancies looks solid and well ballanced, but they are not that strong as Necromancer nodes, so only few % for each class, same thing with Ranger and Shadow. Marauder was nerfed few times already and now exists as only few percent in the meta, mostly as Juggernaut (3% at this moment, others are +_1%).

Nerf Update 3.10.0

Major Nerfs:
..... blah blah blah ....

Minor Nerfs:
..... blah blah blah ....

It's why I stopped playing this stupid game.