Why is there no auction house in POE?
" - The most popular leagues with the highest retention are the ones that offer reasonable drop rates. Overall most leagues have similar player retention rates. You know which leagues have the worst retention rates? The ones with the most trash garbage drop rates across the game. Less drops means less trade, more expensive items, harder earning of currency, slower progression, and quicker player drop off. - Examples : Archnemesis, Kalandra, Expedition, Scourge, Sentinel, and Harvest. The funny thing is you claim leagues like Harvest and Expedition are reasons for nerfing things, despite the fact that people who use TFT to trade for things (like me) are literally less than 1% of the player base. This just shows how little people actually know how drops effect the economy. Harvest was amazing, and some of the best items in the game could be made through harvest. But for 99% of the player base Harvest is the most boring mechanic in the game. The time it would take you to grind Harvest and craft an item even close to being mirror worthy is something you are likely to not even be able to complete in a 3 month period. As someone who didn't even know about TFT during Harvest League, I literally spent the entire league crafting a weapon for one of my builds, and in fact I never finished it. The weapon is sitting in my stash in Standard with an imprint of the weapon, and will never be finished. - Your example of the watchers eye nerf, is dependent on being able to sell stuff for currency, and be able to get enough to buy one, without farming a watcher's eye yourself. For one, getting the currency will be harder, because getting the items is harder, and getting currency is harder, and items are more expensive due to this drop in supply, but increase in demand. There is no situation in PoE where an item has high demand, high value, and high drop rates for basic currency than can be sold or traded up to obtain said item. SSF differs from Trade leagues because the game is not designed around SSF. It is designed around trade. Thus, because this is the case, there are items you are likely to never receive in SSF, never be able to make, and thus you have no choice but to work with things you can guaranteed obtain, either through vendors, boss drops, league mechanics, or divination cards. That is why there is a difference. When drop rates suck, and trade league feels like SSF, because most drops are 1c trash or less, and good drops are exponentially more rare, its essentially like a dead league. The time investment to make any progress increases, and if you are not part of a social group or guild that works together to help push each other forward, your experience is going to be miserable, and you might as well not play. - Lets not forget that the vast majority of players can not invest a large enough amount of time into the game to warrant playing such a poor state of the game. This is why the leagues I mentioned are the top 6 worst leagues in player retention to date not just in week 1 and 2 player drop off but maintained players over the course of the entire league. 3.15 - 3.19 leagues are all worse than all the leagues released 3.10 - 3.14, which also all had better drop rates, better league mechanic rewards, and thus a better player experience throughout their respective leagues. Kalandra league alone lost 52% of its players by the end of the 1st weak, and half of those quit literally on the 1st day. The data shows the complete opposite of what you have said. If lower drops meant longer player retention, due to having to grind more to obtain the same amount of currency, to buy the items you want in a trade league environment, then the top 6 worst leagues of all time would have had the highest player retention to date. Simply not true. Player retention effects trade a ton. Chroniccomplainerreviews.wordpress.com Your source for quality honest reviews to save you time and money! Last edited by Jgizle on Oct 22, 2023, 7:20:53 PM
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Die-hards will complain, with no evidence, that easier trade leads to all kinds of things.
People quitting, mass hysteria, cats and dogs living together! In a word, chaos! In reality, some people might use trade more and complete the league earlier. Some people would use trade the same. Some people would use trade more and play more characters, more hours a day, because you remove a frustration and annoyance tax on a key game mechanic for the majority of players. Players dont know, Chris doesnt know, GGG doesnt know. Tencent made them provide a trade option for the asian markets, so maybe Tencent knows. Anyway, the argument that it would do X or Y is silly. It is unprovable. What is provable is that keeping a bad game mechanic around (by anyones measure, including GGG and Chris) because you fear what fixing it would do is a very lazy game development strategy. | |
" Thanks God you are Chris Willson in diguise or at least his representative with letter of attorney. Let me enlighten you. Chris Willson will never tell you what he really thinks. Moreover, already in 16th century someone F. Bacon realised about idols of the mind. Human thinks about one thing, tells himself another, tells other people third thing. We can end this with it is Chris Willson game bla bla bla. But if you end up using his words as a sensible argument, then it is not an option. We should really think if they reflect objective reality. Easy trade means reducing drop rates So what? Easy trade reduces the number of times a character improves their items. So what? Easy trade would make the disparity between different players too great S-o w-h-a-t? (are you kind of Che Guevara or Mao for caring) Easy trade allows for greater abuse by automation SO WHAT? Less grinding mean less game time, less money spent. Ok. I understand why in 200_ in first WoW you have to buy mount only on 40 lvl if you grind gold. Cause suscription. More time you run from location to location = more suscription money. But game time = money spend in PoE, really? Can you elaborate your findings plz. |
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" Im gonna have to call BS here... Harvest is the strongest counter-example: The mechanic was a borderline item editor, the league had intense deflation reflecting it with stuff like triple t1/2 affixes that often sells for a bunch of exalts being traded for chaos(because really, making a triple t1-resist ring with t1 life with original harvestcraft was almost laughably easy). Yet, it was one of the leagues with stronger retention rate, sentinel is another example of a league that enabled easy progression having strong retention Basically, retention is not correlated to pogression in the way you think: Overly slow progression shooes players away because it makes the game feel like pointless time-wasting. Fast progression on the other hand is often countered by starting another character, single-characters die-hards often forget most people cant stomach playing a single character for even a whole month, and completing more than 3 in a 4-month spam is not common, even with a mechanic like vannila harvest " Onmi and ashes were abominations that broke the amulet economy on their original forms. Ashes in particular was an extremely good dirty cheap item that could fit on virtually any build. The price of 50c made it basically unbeatable from a cost/effectiveness perspective Astra gamble was never nerfed. Geting a mageblood from it is as borderline inpossible as when mageblood first came, the difference is that today, the list of worthwile uniqs is much more restricted. Some time ago, more modest finds like arakaali were jackpots, today even farrul and aegis aurora are kinda "meh", so ofc uniq-hunting mechanics suffer And the rework of harvest was inevitable: even the most casual player will be able to tell that deterministic exalts and annul mechanics on tier 1 seeds that grew in just 5 maps was way too much Basically, none of the mentioned stuff was related at all by abusers. It was GGG dropping the ball quite hard or mechanics turned obsolete. Sirus drops are hot and supper common, they didnt broke the game, so they are unnerfed " For one, to enable variety on the builds. Picking any skill or uniq on ninja will likely return whole pages full of people using the exact same setup. Yeah, there are many things that work, but the paths of what work are too rigid, you want to play one skill, more often than not, youll have to follow one of a very limited amount of setups(on HC SSF its crazy: selecting almost any skill on ninja will likely return at least 3 notables and masteries with around 75% pick rate) Last edited by feike on Oct 26, 2023, 6:41:04 PM
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" Oh no. You don't need to mindread Because Chris Wilson talk too much. Like how he said "insane like I have to emphasize here We're probably ruining the game" after Harvest. POE the hard game is ruined if it is too easy. It is unfair, but intentionally so. Remember the Vision? |
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" Thank you very much, it was all i needed to know and tbh now i understand and agree at 100%. | |
" Yes, because the vast majority of players don't trade and bad drop rates are not good for this sort of players. But on the other hand you can't make the drop rates very high, "Tradies" will skyrocket even more, and even low-traders will leave the game after completeing all challanges. There must be some balance between acceptable drop rate and items availability on the market. GGG found it. " As Chris told, Harvest in its basic state had negative long-term consequences. The fact that you could abuse Harvest using 3rd party mechanics like TFT killed it. Not completely, it's still useful, but it is way less powerful than before. It was killed before new OP crafting methods ruined the game. If you tried to play SSF, Harvest wasn't OP as it was in trade leagues (SC or HC). And I agreed that gameplay of Harvest was very close to Standard / Hardcore, it wasn't very fun for average PoE player. " The problem with WE is that I cannot farm it by myself and get the neccessary mods in reasonable time. I am automatically forced to use trade and sell dropped WEs. I have to accumulate currency and then just buy the WE that I need for my build. It is way faster than farming Elder / UE like a madman, relying on CRT's RNG. This logic works for every single item in the game, for Wanderlust, for Mageblood, for Original Sin and for Tabula Rasa. Every mechanics with RNG involved is built and adjusted around having trade. " Exactly! And there is no special league with single-player rules or the rules for small group of the friends. SSF is just a tag, nothing more. " Not exactly what I said. There is a window in which GGG can adjust the drop rates not having massive player drain and bad retention rate. On the other hand - high drop rate makes the progress faster and also has long-term problems like bloating build power. They are trying to find the balance. Sure, sometimes they don't succeed. But in general their "vision" (or paradygm) works well. |
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it baffles me why people keep referring to the trade manifesto as if it is some sort of panacea to all the issues of trading. The manifesto made four key points which in the years since it was published have become moot.
Easy trade reduces the number of times a character improves their items. Already happening, TFT allows people to buy entire builds in one go. Streamers publish builds and people either RMT or already have the currency to just buy every BiS item. No-one buys incrementally - they farm the hell out of red maps using a starter until they have the currency for their build. Easy trade means reducing drop rates. Already happened multiple times. Drop rates have been hit many times most notably 3.19 Easy trade would make the disparity between different players too great. This is a joke - look at the top end on POE Ninja they are playing a different game to the average player. The disparity is already massive. The guy who runs TFT had something like 800 Hinekoras locks advertised. The disparity is already there. Easy trade allows for greater abuse by automation. Bots already dominate. Its also a shitty excuse to say we cannot police our own game so no AH. Whatever your position on an AH the manifesto is hopelessly out of date. Last edited by blindedbylight on Oct 30, 2023, 2:02:36 AM
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Please, go on, don't mind me. *sipping coffee
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