Sirus fight is making me quit POE

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Elhazzared wrote:

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Baharoth15 wrote:

I don't know what your definition of an "absurdly good player" is, but in my book that would be people like Mathil or Steelmage and it certainly doesn't need that level of "skill" to beat Sirus.

I can do the fight on AL8 using low budget off meta builds, and i am an old man with a fulltime job. If i can do it then any healthy human being can do it with some practise. And no it doesn't require luck to dodge his beam, it just requires practise, if you were spending your time practising the fight instead of whining about it i am sure you could do it as well because it's fucking easy once you've figured it out.

Max block builds are a way to trivialize the fight, but they aren't needed.

You can throw that "80 of the playerbase" statement around as much as you like but at the end of the day it's nothing more than a random number you've pulled from your rear. The only statistic from Sirus we have is from 3.9 so it's hardly even applicable at this point and the picture it showed was way different from what you are trying to get across here.

Then you are absurdly good. Simple isn't it? You may want to say that you aren't but let me put this in no small words. At best, 20% of the playerbase can do Sirius. Only 10% of the playerbase can do Sirius with any build. Only 1% can actually do it without struggling on any kind of build. If you think being on the top 1% of the player base does not makes you absurdly good, I don't know what does.

The fight barely requires any practice at all. I fought him like 4 times. First I died on AL 4, Second i won on AL 7 and last 2 on AL 8 I lost... The one time I won was due to nothing else but pure luck. The moment he decided to beam me I was using a movement skill looking for him and was going in the right direction which is the only reason I won.

The problem is still that he gives half a second or less reaction time to the beam from off screen with other things on the screen that all deal so much damage that they are not ignorable. Did you know that the majority of people have well above 1 second reaction time and even if they train a lot, the majority still cannot get their reaction time below 1 second?

Perhaps now you are starting to understand the problem here. You being old or having a job has nothing to do with it. If you have the skills and the reaction time you will be able to do it. But the problem is that most people don't have that.

You can keep buring your head on the sand and say it's not a problem because it doesn't affects you. But the problem is real and it's causing problems for the PoE player base. It's probably one of the major causes for people to abadon the game right now.

Well, 1% of what? 1% of all the players that make an POE account? 1% of the players who make it to red maps and actually confront endgame content? If it was the latter i'd say you are right but that's not the case.

The only way to push a casual like me into the 1% is by bloating the playerbase with people who never really played the game. With people who stopped halfway through the story or just barely finished it.

Basing arguments about endgame content largely on a playerbase where 90% never even attempted to get that far isn't a valid argument. If you want to make an argument for Sirus being to hard you have to look at all the people who actually attempted to fight him a few times and check how many of them failed all/most of the fights. Saying Sirus is too hard because only 10% of the playerbase can do it is completely nonsensical given that only 30% of the playerbase even make it past act 10 kitava. From that perspective it's plausible that the 10% who reach Sirus are also the 10% who beat him and if everyone who attempts him beats him he can hardly be a problem.

As for your reaction time argument, from what i know the average reaction time that experts use to analyse car crashes and the like is 1,5 seconds. But here we are talking from the total time it takes from recognizing the (unexpected) danger over moving your foot to another pedal and pressing it.

In Sirus case you know when the "DIE" beam comes long before he even says "DIE" because his skill rotation is always the same and all you have to do is to press your movement button where you're finger is waiting anyway. If you want to tell me that a healthy person in it's twenties (or even thirties/fourties) can't do that then sorry but i don't believe that until you show me medical statistics and data that proves that.

As for the people quit the game because of it argument. People always quit the game all the time for all kinds of reasons. In 90% of the cases their quitting lasts's until the next league. If it was anything more i trust that GGG would notice the problem and try to solve it. They don't need armchair generals who don't know the actual data beyond stream numbers to help them with their game design decisions. POE wouldn't be what it is today if GGG was as clueless as people here like to think.

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Its my Ultimate Poison Pathfinder. I used Viper Strike and lowered the dps to get even more defenses. Its update im planning for 3.12. clears 100% t19.
HoA doesnt do any damge here except the culling strike.

It wouldn't be the first time Fruz discredited a good build because it had a Herald on it.

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TorsteinTheFallen wrote:

Its my Ultimate Poison Pathfinder. I used Viper Strike and lowered the dps to get even more defenses. Its update im planning for 3.12. clears 100% t19.
HoA doesnt do any damge here except the culling strike.

Fair enough, viper strike is not the worst skill as it has some DoT, but it's definitely not one of the good ones for the fight either imo.

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VolcanoElixir wrote:

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Its my Ultimate Poison Pathfinder. I used Viper Strike and lowered the dps to get even more defenses. Its update im planning for 3.12. clears 100% t19.
HoA doesnt do any damge here except the culling strike.

It wouldn't be the first time Fruz discredited a good build because it had a Herald on it.

I'm not expecting you to back that [removed by me] claim, I guess I'll just think it's funny (and [removed by me] also, which makes it even better).
There is clearly something you did not understand before you felt the need to answer by the way (in case you did not know).

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Diclonious wrote:

Twice now, I've managed to summon Sirus, which is beyond annoying in how much RNG is required in of itself. I get to the fight, and its a giant cluster. I try to lure the storms away, to finally have a path to Sirus, for me to TOUCH one for half a second and instantly lose almost all of my HP. I lose the rest of my remaining HP touching a barely visible patch of ground. I have 5k HP, 2.5k MP MoM, 1K ES, so around 8.5k EHP. I die before even seeing The boss fight. I lose to the freaking environment. Ive used 12 portals trying to see what the hell the fight even is. I"ve watched videos, but i cant even get to the damn fight. I"ve played plenty, but my lord the environment fight is making me done with the game. I clear t16 just fine, my damage is fine, but the endgame boss is unplayable. Good Game.....

Just wanted to say that it took me three times, but on my third attempt I got it. And I agree that the grind to get to him can be a smidge annoying before you get 'er done.

But boy, is it satisfying having accomplished it.

I just can’t see anything in that fight. No issues visually with any other game; just PoE, which is often a visual mess.

I have a lot of work to do improving my skill against AL8 Sirus (I can do him at lower levels, although I need the right builds and it’s not deathless). But he’s a misshapen spiky glowy man and it’s a nightmare to be able to do things like figure out which direction he’s facing. I don’t really care how many people have overcome this visual barrier; it’s just plain frustrating, not a fun type of challenge, and possibly not intended.

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demon9675 wrote:

I just can’t see anything in that fight. No issues visually with any other game; just PoE, which is often a visual mess.

I have a lot of work to do improving my skill against AL8 Sirus (I can do him at lower levels, although I need the right builds and it’s not deathless). But he’s a misshapen spiky glowy man and it’s a nightmare to be able to do things like figure out which direction he’s facing. I don’t really care how many people have overcome this visual barrier; it’s just plain frustrating, not a fun type of challenge, and possibly not intended.

Amen to that!

Last phase is just garbage. Who ever decided to make it this way is just a sadist and should keep his kinks out of the game. I cant imagine any sane person to consider his last phase "fun" ...

After fighting Sirus over several leagues/characters, I think a huge issue with the fight is that the majority of the difficulty depends on if you can tank his "die" beam or not. If you can survive it, then the fight isn't that bad. If you can't, then you need to be extremely careful with positioning and dodge each and every beam that he spams out with very little warning.

The issue that leads to is that surviving the "die" beam is less about EHP and defensive layers, and more about having immunity to corrupting blood and shock. If you are immune to both, you can half-ass the fight with a 5000 HP character. Sirus has some other deadly attacks, but everything else is actually telegraphed.

In practice, you have a fight where most of the player base needs a jewel with a specific corruption on it in order to not die, and this isn't actually explained anywhere.

Easier to just skip it and let others pay you. It's the only fight in the main endgame game I skip even with mirror gear. Note that I don't consider Uber Elder and Atziri as part of the main game. That is side content. Sirus is integrated into mapping so he always comes up again and again.

Thats the way id do it if i was leveling a character past 97.

Honestly This is one of the main issues I have with life vs es in this game too.

An awful lot of ci and low life characters have the ehp and resistances to just face tank the random bullshit.

But a life character sitting at 6-7k can't afford to risk potentially being hit by a boss that shows up every 30 - 60 maps.

Die once and most of the exp you got is pissed away.

He is just needlessly frustrating. Why cant the conquerors just drop a fragment of sirius that we can trade? Why are we forced to either run him mid level or skip him and his rewards?