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Quick question, where exactly are u slotting your efficient training jewels?
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Tabaxus wrote:


Does the increased damage buff from bottled faith apply to minions? Presumably not, so the only purpose of using it is the conc ground effect.


Bottled Faith creates a Consecrated ground in a fairly large area.

When an enemy is standing on the ground, he takes increased damaged from any source.

As such our minions do benefit from the enemy standing on Consecrated ground.

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AndyLovesHisBge wrote:
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Tabaxus wrote:


Does the increased damage buff from bottled faith apply to minions? Presumably not, so the only purpose of using it is the conc ground effect.


Bottled Faith creates a Consecrated ground in a fairly large area.

When an enemy is standing on the ground, he takes increased damaged from any source.

As such our minions do benefit from the enemy standing on Consecrated ground.



Right, that's what I meant by the Conc ground effect. I just meant the 40% increased dmg, that presumably does not apply to minions.
I am using the defensive build. Which gems are we not supposed to max out? Or just follow what it shows on the gear section?
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boostx X xpower wrote:
Quick question, where exactly are u slotting your efficient training jewels?


go to the first post.

Scroll down to Gear, Gems, Tree, POB Code. IN that section chose the build you are interested in.

In the build you choose, you will see a POB link which will include the tree and where to slot the efficiency jewels.

The two most common locations are as follows:

1) The jewel slot above Lord of the Dead

2) The jewel slot below Mind Over Matter
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TheChosenOne_ wrote:
I am using the defensive build. Which gems are we not supposed to max out? Or just follow what it shows on the gear section?


You should be maxing out every gem you have.

The only alteration to this is if you are running the extreme low mana version (Corrupted Shaper Gloves and in chest: Pride, Discipline, Dread Banner, Flesh and Stone, Maim, Enlighten Level 3).

In that one odd case, you want to make sure you keep your flame dash at a relatively low level.
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Tabaxus wrote:
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AndyLovesHisBge wrote:
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Tabaxus wrote:


Does the increased damage buff from bottled faith apply to minions? Presumably not, so the only purpose of using it is the conc ground effect.


Bottled Faith creates a Consecrated ground in a fairly large area.

When an enemy is standing on the ground, he takes increased damaged from any source.

As such our minions do benefit from the enemy standing on Consecrated ground.



Right, that's what I meant by the Conc ground effect. I just meant the 40% increased dmg, that presumably does not apply to minions.


You are correct, it does not. Only the conc effect damage applies.

It is one of the few, if any, offensive flasks that can be used for the minions, which is why many high end builds use it.
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AndyLovesHisBge wrote:

You have different colors than I do. I run the following

Pride - Discipline - Dread Banner - Flesh and Stone - Maim - Enlighten L3

Can you sneak skitterbots into your setup? The shock gives good extra dps.


This is my build:



2 questions here:
1. what should i upgrade next to give me most value? i have only 1219 STR, but i dont undestand how lethal pride works.


2. What should i put in in my chest instead of blasphemy as there is no point having blasphemy, since i got vulnerability on gloves.
My chest aura is Pride - Enlighten 4 - dread banner - summon skitterbots - discipline - free slot

I saw that @AndyLovesHisBge recomends Pride - Discipline - Dread Banner - Flesh and Stone - Maim - Enlighten L3, but is that better than summon skitterbots + anything else?
based on my POB calculations its actually completly the same on boss.( less than 1% difference, since flesh and stone aplay 16% dmg increase on target and skitterbots aplay 15%. I tested maim support in POB and it doesnt add any extra damage, since carrion golem alredy aplay maim debuff on target. You cannot maim more than once, but the good thing is that in blood stance you insta maim all the targets around you (what is the range of blood stance?) and this way increase maping speed, since carrion golem aplays maim only on 1 target.

if we go that route, with maim + flesh and stone, then golem doesnt need maim and we can put anything else there. My question is what?

but if i keep skitterbots in my chest, what could i add then?

probably at the end of the day i think that flesh and stone + watchers eye(with chaos resistance) + something else except maim would be the best. im just not familiar with all the gems in the game so i have no idea, what else to add.

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BopMajster wrote:
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AndyLovesHisBge wrote:

You have different colors than I do. I run the following

Pride - Discipline - Dread Banner - Flesh and Stone - Maim - Enlighten L3

Can you sneak skitterbots into your setup? The shock gives good extra dps.


This is my build:



2 questions here:
1. what should i upgrade next to give me most value? i have only 1219 STR, but i dont undestand how lethal pride works.


2. What should i put in in my chest instead of blasphemy as there is no point having blasphemy, since i got vulnerability on gloves.
My chest aura is Pride - Enlighten 4 - dread banner - summon skitterbots - discipline - free slot

I saw that @AndyLovesHisBge recomends Pride - Discipline - Dread Banner - Flesh and Stone - Maim - Enlighten L3, but is that better than summon skitterbots + anything else?
based on my POB calculations its actually completly the same on boss.( less than 1% difference, since flesh and stone aplay 16% dmg increase on target and skitterbots aplay 15%. I tested maim support in POB and it doesnt add any extra damage, since carrion golem alredy aplay maim debuff on target. You cannot maim more than once, but the good thing is that in blood stance you insta maim all the targets around you (what is the range of blood stance?) and this way increase maping speed, since carrion golem aplays maim only on 1 target.

if we go that route, with maim + flesh and stone, then golem doesnt need maim and we can put anything else there. My question is what?

but if i keep skitterbots in my chest, what could i add then?

probably at the end of the day i think that flesh and stone + watchers eye(with chaos resistance) + something else except maim would be the best. im just not familiar with all the gems in the game so i have no idea, what else to add.



1) Buy the cheapest lethal pride you can find. Then socket it where the build guide tells you. It will then randomly add stats to the notables along with strength to the small passives. The random stats you get may make no sense for the build. If you don't like them, you use a divine orb and try again. It can get super expensive to get a good roll unless you get lucky. You are mostly looking for Increased Strength on the random stats, but if you can get an Increased Life, that is ok as well.

2) When you couple Maim with the auras in the chest, you don't need maim on the golem, as you realized. I have added Blind, which was recommended earlier in the thread, to use with Golem if you already have maim support else where, which this does when coupled with Flesh and Stone in Blood Stance.
Last edited by AndyLovesHisBge#5265 on Feb 13, 2020, 7:58:02 PM
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AndyLovesHisBge wrote:
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BopMajster wrote:

This is my build:



2 questions here:
1. what should i upgrade next to give me most value? i have only 1219 STR, but i dont undestand how lethal pride works.


2. What should i put in in my chest instead of blasphemy as there is no point having blasphemy, since i got vulnerability on gloves.
My chest aura is Pride - Enlighten 4 - dread banner - summon skitterbots - discipline - free slot

I saw that @AndyLovesHisBge recomends Pride - Discipline - Dread Banner - Flesh and Stone - Maim - Enlighten L3, but is that better than summon skitterbots + anything else?
based on my POB calculations its actually completly the same on boss.( less than 1% difference, since flesh and stone aplay 16% dmg increase on target and skitterbots aplay 15%. I tested maim support in POB and it doesnt add any extra damage, since carrion golem alredy aplay maim debuff on target. You cannot maim more than once, but the good thing is that in blood stance you insta maim all the targets around you (what is the range of blood stance?) and this way increase maping speed, since carrion golem aplays maim only on 1 target.

if we go that route, with maim + flesh and stone, then golem doesnt need maim and we can put anything else there. My question is what?

but if i keep skitterbots in my chest, what could i add then?

probably at the end of the day i think that Purity of elements + watchers eye(with chaos resistance) + something else would be the best. im just not familiar with all the gems in the game so i have no idea, what else to add.



1) Buy the cheapest lethal pride you can find. Then socket it where the build guide tells you. It will then randomly add stats to the notables along with strength to the small passives. The random stats you get may make no sense for the build. If you don't like them, you use a divine orb and try again. It can get super expensive to get a good roll unless you get lucky. You are mostly looking for Increased Strength on the random stats, but if you can get an Increased Life, that is ok as well.

2) When you couple Maim with the auras in the chest, you don't need maim on the golem, as you realized. I have added Blind, which was recommended earlier in the thread, to use with Golem if you already have maim support else where, which this does when coupled with Flesh and Stone in Blood Stance.


I see, well i cant say, im fan of that :/

Are there any other options like
skitterbots + something,
flash and stone + someting
or maybe something completly else + something?

also, what to upgrade next? lethal pride seems like one of the last upgrades and my budget is not that big yet.
Last edited by BopMajster#4112 on Feb 13, 2020, 8:21:51 PM

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