Developer Q&A - Part I

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Abysmalblade wrote:
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sofocle10000 wrote:
Bah, a lackluster Q&A session as intended.

Our mighty TencentGGG overlords "know best what's the BEST for it's player base", but can't be bothered to comprehend that "you can't have your cake and eat it too at the same time".

Best post regarding the dismantle of the "trade stance":

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j33bus wrote:


Ok so here's the thing both of the answers are fine alone, and together they are total incompatible nonsense. If you think it's important for trading to be an awful experience that's fine, and if you think it's important for content to be trade it's fine. You cannot have both, it's insane. What these two statements together read is

"If you want to play your favorite part of the game more, you need to play the part of the game that we made intentionally awful and miserable more."

Tradeable content cannot be a solution to giving players choice when you intentional make trading bad. If you want to keep trading bad you have to make obtaining content without trading easier not harder. If you want to make trading awful that's fine, but then you have to treat it like it's an awful part of the game.


Hopefully all the players get it that TRADING can't be "touted" as a "core aspect" in PoE, and is simply the pretext used for addressing "balancing drops" in the way they currently are.

No one WANTS or NEEDS a FULL BLOWN AH, as long as TencentGGG actually manage to implement asynchronous trading (the kind that actually lets players trade in a TIMELY MANNER even when offline would be best, but lets settle to the cross instances one for starters), and a satisfying experience regarding said CORE ASPECT when you have a GLOBAL PLAYER BASE, which can't be bothered to actually keep their promise of SELLING for a stated price, except for the first few minutes, as a later request will further prompt a price recheck if the item is at least somewhat "valuable".

But please be the ostrich TencentGGG, keep it up and enjoy what's coming. Hopefully real alternatives to PoE will start appearing as soon as later this year and we'll get to see if their stance doesn't change...

PS: Not to mention that addressing trading "properly", would help "retention" by a landslide, even if no further QoL would be applied...
I like that people think tencent is behind the lack of a AH when the chinese version of the game has one honestly im glad that ggg doesent cave to every demand of the comunity as that will just spiral the game into trash


Read and comprehend that not everyone WANTS, or even NEEDS a "full blown AH".

On the other hand, having "trade" as a "core experience", and keeping that system in the prehistory of any adequate solution is subpar since at least 2.0.0...

No amount of hiding behind "imaginary pluses", can justify TencentGGG's current stance on NOT IMPROVING TRADE by AT LEAST PROVIDING ASYNCHRONICITY - we're talking about a GLOBAL ALWAYS ONLINE "MARKET" that gets the short end of the stick by having the current "lackluster" system to say the least...

Lets get this straight, as much as I condone their stance on being stubborn and holding their ground regarding various aspects, the abysmal trade system is the one that would make the highest difference regarding retention numbers, as long as they manage to improve it "the right way", along with the drops vs crafting conundrums AND if they actually bring PoE back to it's ARPG roots, instead of the current "pew-pew one shot zoom-zoom arcade shooter"...

PS: TencentGGG are also one of the devs that use valuable feedback at times, but mostly simply @#$& upon it without even a semblance of "grace"... I've seen and read a lot of great feedback around the forum, heck, even on PoE Reddit at times, and to see it simply thrown into the Void "because reasons" should tell us all that TencentGGG really needs to "git gud & up to snuff"... Real competition can't come soon enough..
PSS: Our almighty TencentGGG overlords are very scrupulous regarding criticizing their abilities to take proper decisions and consider everything "needlessly harsh and condescending"...

Good to know "free speech" doesn't apply in any form or manner on the forums these days...
Last edited by sofocle10000#6408 on May 3, 2019, 12:18:34 PM
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We generally try to create content that doesn't require insane clear-speed.

Then why are most mechanics you recently developed either explicitely or implicitely timed? Breach, Abyss, Elder decay mechanics, Incursion, Delve (darkness/moving crawler), Synthesis decay?

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The honest answer here is that we believe that game systems like Delve will become boring if you have unlimited access to them, and so it's important to limit their access by requiring regular Path of Exile play between sessions of special content.

I'd like to decide myself at what point I get bored and I certainly don't want an arrogantly patronizing Sulphite nanny telling me "no more fun allowed". In case I get bored with one aspect of a game, I play another aspect, but hitting a Sulphite paywall when wanting to delve does make me both angry and bored.

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Bex_GGG wrote:
Hey everyone, we've done our best to gather all the most pressing questions into the first part of this Q&A. Let me know if there are any missing and I'll make sure we get them into part two's answers next week.

Hi Bex, after meeting the Sulphite nanny and reading all the completely justified player outcries about trade, here are my questions:

Comparing Diablo 2's unlimited waypoint access to POE's ingame-currency-pay-to-play system (maps, chisels, Zana mods, fragments, Sulphite,...), where are your advantages? Or, where do you think Diablo 2 gets hurt from having no paywalls and RNG limitations?

What are your arguments against workaround-solutions to take out the worst pressure from the trade debate without implementing an AH, like NPCs offering all kinds of currency exchange and selling every map in unlimited amounts?
Enjoy the damned labyrinth? Go play Tomb Raider...

Wraeclast is not Las Vegas! Stop the fucking RNG lottery!
1. Idea:
It would be awesome to see a post with opinions of like 10-20 members of the GGG staff regarding the current trade system.
Let them buy some low-value unique and rare items and like 20 different low-value maps and post their opinions and how long they took to get the items.
This should not be that time-consuming, if the current trade system is fine.
@Bex_GGG

2. Idea:
I know enforcing player interaction is a good thing. (no sarcasm)

However trading is NOT a good player interaction. It actively hurts the player retention. (i think, at least I played way less and some other guys who wrote comments seemed to do the same)

You could enhance other aspects of player interaction like party play.
In my opinion, it does not feel rewarding in low to low red maps.
The only time I feel rewarded for playing in a party is, when I am FORCED to play in a party to sustain T16 Maps. And even then I don't feel rewarded for party-play.
I think if you expand the buffs a party gives, the game would benefit extremely!
I would like the party-bonus to be: e.g. More monsters in each area, more Quantity and Rarity Bonus than currently, maybe 1% Exp-Boost per party member, ...
Last edited by Virolancer#7649 on May 3, 2019, 1:14:58 PM
Hey GGG team!
I have a little question , so i hope ill be seen and answered!
Will you change delve in future? I love this content very much and i dont want to play it in lesion
Certainly, i like to go deeper and take really cool rewards from it, more risks = more profit, i think its politics of delve, so please, dont change it
Last edited by Kelumsa#4029 on May 3, 2019, 1:25:25 PM
I just want to sustain map without feeling that I'm missing out on sustain when skipping betrayal/delve. Which I really do not enjoy playing.

I love ggg
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sofocle10000 wrote:
if they actually bring PoE back to it's ARPG roots, instead of the current "pew-pew one shot zoom-zoom arcade shooter"...


When has ARPGs not been "pew-pew one shot zoom-zoom arcade shooter"s? D2 is the archetype, and clear-speed was as relevant then as it is now.
Yay on possible South Africa servers!
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Revarine wrote:
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sofocle10000 wrote:
if they actually bring PoE back to it's ARPG roots, instead of the current "pew-pew one shot zoom-zoom arcade shooter"...


When has ARPGs not been "pew-pew one shot zoom-zoom arcade shooter"s? D2 is the archetype, and clear-speed was as relevant then as it is now.


First of all, D2 was released back in 2000, that's a fairly early one, it was the pioneer of the genre at that time basically, shaping how the majority afterwards was released.

Yes, you could become fast, though on the other hand as you progressed you had to put more and more effort into your build, this felt 'ok-ish' to a degree.

Now let's take a step forward to 'modern' ARPGs which are well known:
Grim Dawn: Fights matter, no zoom-zoom boom-boom in general, each encounter feels somewhat meaningful with bosses, even some random mobs are fairly dangerous.
Torchlight franchise: Fairly casual, though nonetheless there were a few rather hard encounters on the higher difficulty levels, nonetheless those took a while to complete and the normal play-routine wasn't zoom-zoom...

Even Sacred 2 (with all its flaws) had better fights then PoE has now to a large degree.
GGG balance is like getting a pizza which is burnt on the sides, raw in the middle and misses the most of the toppings.
Then upon sending it back you get a raw side, burnt middle and enough toppings to drench everything in grease.
Everything fixed but still broken.
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Kulze wrote:
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Revarine wrote:
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sofocle10000 wrote:
if they actually bring PoE back to it's ARPG roots, instead of the current "pew-pew one shot zoom-zoom arcade shooter"...


When has ARPGs not been "pew-pew one shot zoom-zoom arcade shooter"s? D2 is the archetype, and clear-speed was as relevant then as it is now.


First of all, D2 was released back in 2000, that's a fairly early one, it was the pioneer of the genre at that time basically, shaping how the majority afterwards was released.

Yes, you could become fast, though on the other hand as you progressed you had to put more and more effort into your build, this felt 'ok-ish' to a degree.

Now let's take a step forward to 'modern' ARPGs which are well known:
Grim Dawn: Fights matter, no zoom-zoom boom-boom in general, each encounter feels somewhat meaningful with bosses, even some random mobs are fairly dangerous.
Torchlight franchise: Fairly casual, though nonetheless there were a few rather hard encounters on the higher difficulty levels, nonetheless those took a while to complete and the normal play-routine wasn't zoom-zoom...

Even Sacred 2 (with all its flaws) had better fights then PoE has now to a large degree.


Yeah, but that's a game design choice. It basically comes down to the opinions of the game designers and Chris Wilson. Like, I've always had in the back of my head an idea for an absolutely brutal, Dark Souls-ish ARPG, where random trash could absolutely murder you if you were caught off guard. Boss fights would take dozens of tries for ordinary mortals.

Would this be fun? Not for the majority of human beings. PoE is not this imaginary game, nor will it ever try to be this game.

I like how a good hit can clear the entire screen in PoE. More importantly, it's a intentional design choice. One of the biggest things that makes video games terrible is when it doesn't know what the hell it is.
I have a really good suggestion for upcoming leagues, make all the masters available from Zana mods for an amount of Chaos of course, so you don't have to repeatably do maps over and over and hope for the master you need will spawn in the map.

At the same time players will be able to enjoy the content they want to do.

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