Trial / Labyrinth should have been optional

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MrsDeath_ wrote:

its fine as it is.
i love reading bad players complain about lab page after page.
its soooo gooooood.
if only they knew players spend 500+ hours per league and their crying on their 1h lab time doesnt even matter in larger picture..

Considering game balance and gating skill points behind nice hard-locked content its worth way MORE than 1h of a bad player.
crybabies will cry whatever you do to the game. let them be and game on.

It matters, it's 1h of absolute garbage feeling in a game. Much like the 'underwater levels' some games implemented often. A very slim amount of people liked those, the vast majority hated them. Not a good feeling, takes away from the game.

Also 1h isn't cutting it, a casual player (the majority) takes easily 5-6 hours total with all labs together, deaths included.

Also you can lock progression behind hard content FITTING to the core-experience as well, sadly GGG is either not willing to do that or too incompetent to do that. And we can see that people take issues with that left and right.

And you're right, people will cry about everything, hence why you'll have to discern their reasons. Is it one which is sensible? or is it one which is baseless? In the case of lab it's a sensible complaint, lab IS BADLY IMPLEMENTED. In many ways. It has a lot of POTENTIAL to be used and be made very enjoyable and great, but that's not done. And that's the current state of it.

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Kulze wrote:

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MrsDeath_ wrote:

its fine as it is.
i love reading bad players complain about lab page after page.
its soooo gooooood.
if only they knew players spend 500+ hours per league and their crying on their 1h lab time doesnt even matter in larger picture..

Considering game balance and gating skill points behind nice hard-locked content its worth way MORE than 1h of a bad player.
crybabies will cry whatever you do to the game. let them be and game on.

It matters, it's 1h of absolute garbage feeling in a game. Much like the 'underwater levels' some games implemented often. A very slim amount of people liked those, the vast majority hated them. Not a good feeling, takes away from the game.

Also 1h isn't cutting it, a casual player (the majority) takes easily 5-6 hours total with all labs together, deaths included.

Also you can lock progression behind hard content FITTING to the core-experience as well, sadly GGG is either not willing to do that or too incompetent to do that. And we can see that people take issues with that left and right.

And you're right, people will cry about everything, hence why you'll have to discern their reasons. Is it one which is sensible? or is it one which is baseless? In the case of lab it's a sensible complaint, lab IS BADLY IMPLEMENTED. In many ways. It has a lot of POTENTIAL to be used and be made very enjoyable and great, but that's not done. And that's the current state of it.

i think the lab is the best way to test a player's capability of earning a skill.
its certainly not the toughest content poe can offer nor the longest.
it should remain mendatory. we need more hard content like lab to keep players on their toes.

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MrsDeath_ wrote:

i think the lab is the best way to test a player's capability of earning a skill.
its certainly not the toughest content poe can offer nor the longest.
it should remain mendatory. we need more hard content like lab to keep players on their toes.

Lab isn't hard, once again, also it's not a test of skill either, at least not ANY skill needed ANYWHERE else in the game.

You never need to change your passives or pantheon for anything else inside the game to run content more comfortable, you'll also not need to switch out your flasks for anything else, those issues are mainly presented in lab.

So, at most it's 'unintuitive content' rather then 'hard'.

Lab is the same as if we would suddenly implement a 'target shooting' system attached to some mandatory progression to the game. It also wouldn't fit the tone.

So, either you're not very well versed in discerning types of content presented, or you're simply talking from a personal biased points, otherwise I actually can't explain your lack of ability (or simply wanting to acknowledge it) to see the vastly different style of content presented, and why that's an issue for a game which should feel 'wholesome' instead of being 'patchwork'.

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MrsDeath_ wrote:

its fine as it is.
i love reading bad players complain about lab page after page.
its soooo gooooood.
if only they knew players spend 500+ hours per league and their crying on their 1h lab time doesnt even matter in larger picture..

Considering game balance and gating skill points behind nice hard-locked content its worth way MORE than 1h of a bad player.
crybabies will cry whatever you do to the game. let them be and game on.

>500+ hours per 3-months
>fully 25% of your life is a video game that has like 30 hours of actual content
>this is considered normal healthy human behavior

This fucking "community."

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Kulze wrote:

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MrsDeath_ wrote:

i think the lab is the best way to test a player's capability of earning a skill.
its certainly not the toughest content poe can offer nor the longest.
it should remain mendatory. we need more hard content like lab to keep players on their toes.

Lab isn't hard, once again, also it's not a test of skill either, at least not ANY skill needed ANYWHERE else in the game.

You never need to change your passives or pantheon for anything else inside the game to run content more comfortable, you'll also not need to switch out your flasks for anything else, those issues are mainly presented in lab.

So, at most it's 'unintuitive content' rather then 'hard'.

Lab is the same as if we would suddenly implement a 'target shooting' system attached to some mandatory progression to the game. It also wouldn't fit the tone.

So, either you're not very well versed in discerning types of content presented, or you're simply talking from a personal biased points, otherwise I actually can't explain your lack of ability (or simply wanting to acknowledge it) to see the vastly different style of content presented, and why that's an issue for a game which should feel 'wholesome' instead of being 'patchwork'.

anywhere?
r u for real?
so u dont need to dod boss skills anywhere ?
well i dont because im tanky enough but to a newbie its a good learning ground for how to dodge stuff.
and stop questioning my ability to talk from an unbiased perspective.
i ve been a bad player for my first year im this game. i remember every detail and passing lab was a great teacher. if nothing else lab taught me how to balance my defences and how an hard content can give u great rewards.now as an experienced player i appreciate the lab.
if you really think lab has no correlation with rest of the content i think you are being either willingly ignorant or having a bias stance.

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AkuTenshiiZero wrote:

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MrsDeath_ wrote:

its fine as it is.
i love reading bad players complain about lab page after page.
its soooo gooooood.
if only they knew players spend 500+ hours per league and their crying on their 1h lab time doesnt even matter in larger picture..

Considering game balance and gating skill points behind nice hard-locked content its worth way MORE than 1h of a bad player.
crybabies will cry whatever you do to the game. let them be and game on.

>500+ hours per 3-months
>fully 25% of your life is a video game that has like 30 hours of actual content
>this is considered normal healthy human behavior

This fucking "community."

it was an example.
i have 700+ hours each league possibly 6-7k+ hours in total.
if u think poe has 30 hours of content you really have no idea of what content is ^^
and we play this game for escapism.you have no saying on other player's life choices.
hahaha just like i thought :D
0 knowledge over the content and tries to define poe :D
the 70 hour act 10 ign reporter has more information about poe than u do :D

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its extremely hated cuz noobs cant time a 2 second delayed traps.
thats why. because in current year every arpg has to be easy af.
or bad players will cry about it.[/quote]


Or perhaps GGG has not implemented things perfectly .Newer players are kinda lost in this game ,overwhelmed with stuff they need to know which is not that great explained or easy to find out .A lot of stuff is frustrating ,things are not that for you of cource that are good and have played the game more but you can try to put yourself in their shoes that need to know basically everything you have learned over time all at the same time ,thats something you didnt have to do ,so as a new player its harder for them than it was for you ( not thinking about the balance but the information but maybe both is harder because of the totality ). Compared to you they probably suck and they are piss poor with noob gear additionally .The poewiki is also a pretty low priority to be as informative and correct as possible .I totally get why new players get frustrated with this game .And the bullshit oneshot unbalanced stuff that happens in this game frustrates both new and old players .

Easy af ,thats about money basically .GGG seems to be less about that and more about the game ,which is rare in this greedy world .

Old player myself ,and i dont like the lab .Not because of the traps but the totality of the whole thing ( and the helmet enchanting rng ) which is a lot less fun than maps .Maybe mapping is so fun that makes the lab bad and thats the problem ,but its not .I think its a misplaced thing in this game and the implementation of it in Poe started the powercreep destruction of this game .I think the lab would be a great game by itself ,a whole new game ,gggs 2nd game .They could have made it just as nasty or more and make it big as they would have liked and make a real hardcore game , just imagine what game that could have been . Instead they mixed 2 games and made them both worse .Being ambitious is great ,but if the idea is not good or better alone ,theres a problem .GGG missed out huge on this i think because the lab is not bad at all in a vacuum ,just not my thing and it made my Poe experience worse .

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MrsDeath_ wrote:

it was an example.
i have 700+ hours each league possibly 6-7k+ hours in total.
if u think poe has 30 hours of content you really have no idea of what content is ^^
and we play this game for escapism.you have no saying on other player's life choices.

Arbitrarily padding actual content behind a wall of repetitive grinding is not actual content, it's filler there to waste your time and keep you a placated, money-dispensing meat-sack for GGG to continue harvesting. If you tally up all the actual acts, maps, side zones, etc., you would be lucky to get about a day and a half out of PoE. Scattering tiny islands of content into an ocean of repetitive, mind-numbing, soul-sucking grinding does not magically make the game more expansive. It makes it thinly spread.

Also, not sure what you're trying to prove by posting the achievements I don't have. Am I supposed to be ashamed or something?

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Devonor wrote:

Or perhaps GGG has not implemented things perfectly .Newer players are kinda lost in this game ,overwhelmed with stuff they need to know which is not that great explained or easy to find out .A lot of stuff is frustrating ,things are not that for you of cource that are good and have played the game more but you can try to put yourself in their shoes that need to know basically everything you have learned over time all at the same time ,thats something you didnt have to do ,so as a new player its harder for them than it was for you ( not thinking about the balance but the information but maybe both is harder because of the totality ). Compared to you they probably suck and they are piss poor with noob gear additionally .The poewiki is also a pretty low priority to be as informative and correct as possible .I totally get why new players get frustrated with this game .And the bullshit oneshot unbalanced stuff that happens in this game frustrates both new and old players .

Easy af ,thats about money basically .GGG seems to be less about that and more about the game ,which is rare in this greedy world .

Old player myself ,and i dont like the lab .Not because of the traps but the totality of the whole thing ( and the helmet enchanting rng ) which is a lot less fun than maps .Maybe mapping is so fun that makes the lab bad and thats the problem ,but its not .I think its a misplaced thing in this game and the implementation of it in Poe started the powercreep destruction of this game .I think the lab would be a great game by itself ,a whole new game ,gggs 2nd game .They could have made it just as nasty or more and make it big as they would have liked and make a real hardcore game , just imagine what game that could have been . Instead they mixed 2 games and made them both worse .Being ambitious is great ,but if the idea is not good or better alone ,theres a problem .GGG missed out huge on this i think because the lab is not bad at all in a vacuum ,just not my thing and it made my Poe experience worse .

poe is not a game you can complete in 10 hours and brush off. new players will come and go thats nothing special and ggg cant do anything about it. game content is vast and not that easy to grasp.
i think lab is great because of the very reasons you have given. it pushes players to a corner which they need to figure how to get out.
it would be worse if it was a side quest imo. both for ascendancy points and game content vise.

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AkuTenshiiZero wrote:

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MrsDeath_ wrote:

it was an example.
i have 700+ hours each league possibly 6-7k+ hours in total.
if u think poe has 30 hours of content you really have no idea of what content is ^^
and we play this game for escapism.you have no saying on other player's life choices.

Arbitrarily padding actual content behind a wall of repetitive grinding is not actual content, it's filler there to waste your time and keep you a placated, money-dispensing meat-sack for GGG to continue harvesting. If you tally up all the actual acts, maps, side zones, etc., you would be lucky to get about a day and a half out of PoE. Scattering tiny islands of content into an ocean of repetitive, mind-numbing, soul-sucking grinding does not magically make the game more expansive. It makes it thinly spread.

Also, not sure what you're trying to prove by posting the achievements I don't have. Am I supposed to be ashamed or something?

nope its just an indicator of how little u know about the content ^^
since u tried to school me here:

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AkuTenshiiZero wrote:

>500+ hours per 3-months
>fully 25% of your life is a video game that has like 30 hours of actual content
>this is considered normal healthy human behavior

This fucking "community."

dont play with fire if u cant handle being burnt.

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MrsDeath_ wrote:

anywhere?
r u for real?
so u dont need to dod boss skills anywhere ?
well i dont because im tanky enough but to a newbie its a good learning ground for how to dodge stuff.

Which is already achieved via Kitava and some other bosses. Izaro is just 'another one' in that line.

The specific mechanic of lab are traps, those aren't re-used anywhere else, hence yes, my point stands.