Resources for New Players and Super Stash Sale

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alhazred70 wrote:

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Innomen wrote:

Pay stash tabs are pay to win. They improve your ability to trade. Argument concluded.

Argument reconvened: There are people who've played the entire game all content all endgame bosses with the default stash tabs. trade can be done with acquisition.

Argument concluded: yours is wrong.

What a bizarre argument.

You literally just described many of the most popular pay2win mobile games. Their entire business model is based on "Play the whole game without paying if you want, but it will be inconvenient and painful." Would you say that PoE is anything but "inconvenient and painful" with only 4 stash tabs?

Now, I happen to think that PoE is more of a pay2play game than a pay2win game (due to the non-scalability of non-cosmetic MTXs), but that's beside the point. The argument you just put forth is a really popular counter to pay2win accusations, but it falls flat with just the smallest bit of analysis.

Who also have a problems with poe wiki interface? Why are you still keep silent?
Fix https://pathofexile.gamepedia.com/Path_of_Exile_Wiki pliz!!!!

I read recources and assumed they might finally increase the amount of stash tabs new players have available. So much stuff has been added with every league that it doesn't play comfortable without more tabs at all. Now with the new pay2play private leagues, the game is starting to border that free to play line even more. With the influx of diablo players GGG might want to decide if its worth to give players more free stuff or just let them pay for all of it. Both seem valid options i reckon. And regardless i bought my tabs already so i'm fine.

Also: give reworked ice spear already!

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gibbousmoon wrote:

What a bizarre argument.

You literally just described many of the most popular pay2win mobile games. Their entire business model is based on "Play the whole game without paying if you want, but it will be inconvenient and painful." Would you say that PoE is anything but "inconvenient and painful" with only 4 stash tabs?

Now, I happen to think that PoE is more of a pay2play game than a pay2win game (due to the non-scalability of non-cosmetic MTXs), but that's beside the point. The argument you just put forth is a really popular counter to pay2win accusations, but it falls flat with just the smallest bit of analysis.

meh, I disagree

You can finish the entire game, every bit of content, trade etc without paying a single cent.

The tabs buy you convenience, they don't skip time gated rewards or unlock anything special. All these other games you speak of are slightly different in that the "extra gems" or whatever you buy, actually helps you beat the game faster. This is not the case in POE.

Someone who has played less than 100h is going to be just fine.

At the end of the day, its literally the FAIREST F2P business model in existence, and some people STILL are not happy. Its crazy.

In life you should never expect anything for absolutely nothing and while the whales can buy all the mtx, anyone playing POE consistently should have no trouble paying $50 to get everything they will ever need, then they could play for YEARS withing a single cost. Its ridiculous it even gets questioned.

Can I update my 160 premium stash tabs to 40 quad tabs yet? I'd like to start spending money on this game again but can't in all conscience until you enable this feature.

Why am I being penalised for being an early supporter? I see videos of people using quad tabs and they look so good compared with non-quads. Do you expect me to just discard my existing tabs that cost me hundreds of dollars and but new quad tabs?

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theauviper wrote:

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gibbousmoon wrote:

What a bizarre argument.

You literally just described many of the most popular pay2win mobile games. Their entire business model is based on "Play the whole game without paying if you want, but it will be inconvenient and painful." Would you say that PoE is anything but "inconvenient and painful" with only 4 stash tabs?

Now, I happen to think that PoE is more of a pay2play game than a pay2win game (due to the non-scalability of non-cosmetic MTXs), but that's beside the point. The argument you just put forth is a really popular counter to pay2win accusations, but it falls flat with just the smallest bit of analysis.

meh, I disagree

You can finish the entire game, every bit of content, trade etc without paying a single cent.

The tabs buy you convenience, they don't skip time gated rewards or unlock anything special. All these other games you speak of are slightly different in that the "extra gems" or whatever you buy, actually helps you beat the game faster. This is not the case in POE.

Someone who has played less than 100h is going to be just fine.

"This is not the case in POE."

You are asserting that extra tabs do not save a player time in PoE. That a player with 4 vanilla stash tabs need not waste any more time than a player with a zillion tabs. Speaking as a player with a zillion tabs (all premium), and with all due respect, I strongly disagree with your assertion. You would have a difficult time defending it, for sure.

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At the end of the day, its literally the FAIREST F2P business model in existence, and some people STILL are not happy. Its crazy.

In life you should never expect anything for absolutely nothing and while the whales can buy all the mtx, anyone playing POE consistently should have no trouble paying $50 to get everything they will ever need, then they could play for YEARS withing a single cost.

You're not wrong.

But that does not make "You can literally play the entire game without paying a cent" any less of a lame counter-argument to pay2win accusations, since, as I already said, that literally describes most popular pay2win games.

In short, the proof is in the pudding.

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xpress69 wrote:

Its about time to have at least one free premium tab dont you think GGG? So that new players can try the game and trade without having to go balls deep right from the start.

i agree, i've spent the money for an easy life. But why does it have to be so hard for newcomers to trade (list items at least). I don't feel like it suits GGG.

Well nuff said

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DemiDemon wrote:

Can I update my 160 premium stash tabs to 40 quad tabs yet? I'd like to start spending money on this game again but can't in all conscience until you enable this feature.

Why am I being penalised for being an early supporter? I see videos of people using quad tabs and they look so good compared with non-quads. Do you expect me to just discard my existing tabs that cost me hundreds of dollars and but new quad tabs?

This is probably more due to implementation difficulties than conscious business model decisions.

But I think there is a simple way to do it: Just convert a set of 4 standard stash tabs to remove-only upon providing a player with a quad. They already figured out how to do this for the sake of migrating league to standard. It shouldn't be too too labor intensive to provide the same to those wishing to convert.

Make no mistake, this would cost money to pay for the labor to implement the service (thousands of players want this, and it would be seriously bad PR to charge them for it), but the long-term goodwill would more than pay for itself: I've lost count of the number of players I've heard say that they will never put another cent into this game until they are allowed to convert their non-quad tabs, due to feeling the way you just described.

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theauviper wrote:

You can finish the entire game, every bit of content, trade etc without paying a single cent.

At the end of the day, its literally the FAIREST F2P business model in existence, and some people STILL are not happy. Its crazy.

Hold your horses mister condamning morality knight. You can disagree for sure, and it's true that you can finish the whole game without buying stuff (i did that before buying stuff). But ''fairest''?? Not even among Tencent ''owned'' games i'd say. Do you know how league of legends works? You can buy content and cosmetics there or play enough to unlock it. You also get cosmetics at random times as a reward. Those cosmetics are random so if you want specific stuff you still need to buy it. But that's a lot more accessible and rewarding for both newer and older players and free to play. And it doesn't limit your play at all. Have fun playing PoE without currency tab, map tab, essence tab (as if they ever drop consistently) and what not. You wanna do crafting? Better buy tabs. Wanna do trading? Need premium tabs. Get my point?

With the new influx of diablo players PoE has become quite big. Their microtransaction model and pricing was made when they were small and really needed the cash. With the Tencent buyout they announced a financial boost and stability that would help them hire more people, making them less dependant on the fluctuating microtransactions revenue each month i believe. While this might have been good for the company, we as players have not seen the results of this in either content or pricing of ''extra'' stuff. So it might be understandable why people people would like more free stuff (even if it's only 1 premium tab). Again: i already bought my tabs so i'm good, but i also think the game would be much more welcoming to new players if several of the specific tabs (at least the ones not tyed to past leagues like essence tab) would just be freely available. Next step would be to make cosmetics way cheaper so the treshold to buy those would be lower and people would buy those instead of tabs. Stupid suggestion? May be; but it works fine for league of legends.

Well done GGG