Delve? Worrisome

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ValheruWolf wrote:

Delves are random? I must have missed something. Thought they had set checkpoints and you could choose a direction... So if down was too hard, you could choose and easier start point less deep and go sideways instead? Eh guess i'll find out at launch

Infinite sideways, but deep is difficulty means when you hit a max depth, you can still delve as much as you want sideways at that difficulty level.

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Are you able to backtrack with the Crawler?
You can go on any Delve connected to a node that you have completed before. It transports you and the Crawler to that location.

So Yeah, delve is node to node, and you can choose any path to run connected to a node you already unlocked. Not random.

I can see why your confused. But they are random and noded. Each person delve will be different. That's how it is infinitely deep and infinitely wide. Though they hinted simmular things will appear at a level. Though it is not guaranteed.

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Will your mine layout differ to other people's?
Yes, every character's mine is different. The same types of things spawn at the same depths with the same rarities, so if someone finds something cool at a specific location, have a look around that depth!

Does that help? Random static map for each person. With check points. The check points don't mean it is not random. It's not the same thing as the check points during leveling. Similar in the way you can port to them. Different in the way that their are an infinite amount at random locations. Probable why they call them check points instead of way points. To try and help you not get confused.

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ValheruWolf wrote:

Infinite stacks of darkness. This is required. Otherwise I'm sorry crazy high regeneration builds would be able to go so much farther away and depending on that stack would be able to out regen the degen. The Darkness HAS to kill you.
--That being said... Flares. Unless I missed something flares erases all stacks on you instantly, so wisely using flares and having enough of them will let you explore farther. Leaving the light of the flare starts you over at 1 stack again and it starts stacking up.

To be honest with the way they word things... I feel you can only use flares when backtracking or doing side areas. Not during the delve itself. I could be wrong though. Also note that flares have a cap. It's not like you will have a lot of them. I think you start with 3. And can upgrade the max later. So not much help there.

In some ways I agree with you. I don't mind infinite stacks while back tracking. But I don't understand it during the delve itself. Delving will have a clear start and end. After that you can track through the delve no questions asked. And then use flares to do side area's. Not really my biggest issue, but one that I am going to raise an eyebrow at.

This kind of logic means DPS builds will always be the best. If it were me I would add a buff while the crawler is moving. That it disrupts darkness while it is moving and caps it. But sense it doesn't move while you are back tracking you are still required to have flares. Once the crawler hits the end. The Max stacks keeps going up tell you either clear it or die. Just not as fast as when your backtracking. It would give tankier builds a shot at the leader boards. No? Otherwise it will just be another DPS festival.

It currently only takes 10s to get 20 stacks currently. It looks like brutal overkill to me.

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ValheruWolf wrote:

Kinda hit or miss on base speed of crawler. Wow ok rereading that, delve might end up being annoying. If you have a high base speed movement character it will make keeping up with the crawler way harder. Oh god and I was thinking raider... this could be fun.

Ya movement speed skills like Charged dash will be hard. When you charge pass it. Its faster. When you charge behind it to clear up some left over crap. Especial if you were in front of it when you went back. Well you just screwed yourself. People don't seem to be getting what I am talking about at all. And good fucking luck if the party leader has a shit ton more movement speed than you.

I can see it now. All Delve parties will be listing the leaders movement speed. And the Delve level. Where slower leaders will be sought after. And maybe even paid. Even if they do squat. To squeeze out that higher ranking. Partly due to darkness stacks. But mostly due to Crawler speed.

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ValheruWolf wrote:

Kinda hit or miss on base speed of crawler. Wow ok rereading that, delve might end up being annoying.If you have a high base speed movement character it will make keeping up with the crawler way harder. Oh god and I was thinking raider... this could be fun.

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All of this is really not important because the monsters are hard enough that the challenge is not being left behind. You're not escorting the Crawler, it's escorting you.

So there should not be a problem regarding this apparently.
Plus it does not say :
"The Crawler also moves faster than your run speed if you get in front of it via movement skills."
it says :
" The Crawler can also move faster than your run speed if you get in front of it via movement skills."

This section of the FAQ is also not about just "crawler speed" but about "maximum crawler speed".

It has not changed for more than a week apparently, so I'm not quite sure what all the fuss is about here ( it's not you making a fuss there though ).

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TheLockedGuy wrote:

To be honest with the way they word things... I feel you can only use flares when backtracking or doing side areas. Not during the delve itself. I could be wrong though

The crawler likely stops if you are going sideways according to the FAQ.
It might not stop instantly, but it likely will stop to wait for you.

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TheLockedGuy wrote:

Delving will have a clear start and end. After that you can track through the delve no questions asked.

Why would the crawler go back to follow you ? Or do you want to use all your flares and rip ?


PS : you should really stop with the obnoxious behaviour, becomes even if it takes a bit of time, you can be sure that your posts are not going to stay the way they are in this thread, definitely not with what's in there lol.
To be honest, it would be more ideal to behave in order to have civilized conversations and provide quality feedback to GGG, no out of fear of being moderated.
Ideally, of course.

OH man... And another one who doesn't under stand Delve comes in.

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Fruz wrote:

So there should not be a problem regarding this apparently.
Plus it does not say "
"The Crawler also moves faster than your run speed if you get in front of it via movement skills.é
it says :
" The Crawler can also move faster than your run speed if you get in front of it via movement skills."

Really! The crawler movement speed will be faster when your in front of it. VS when your behind it. I can't say it any clearer than that.

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Fruz wrote:

The crawler likely stops if you are going sideways according to the FAQ.
It might not stop instantly, but it likely will stop to wait for you.

Ouch... Why is this so hard to understand?

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Are you able to backtrack with the Crawler?
You can go on any Delve connected to a node that YOU HAVE COMPLETED BEFORE. It transports you and the Crawler to that location.

Meaning the crawler doesn't move tell you do a delve... Proof you ask

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Can you run the same Delve twice?
Each Delve can only be run once (because the encounter is rewarding), but you can return to the areas you cleared to hunt in the darkness with flares afterwards. The path that you have previously Delved along is now lit by a cable of lights laid by the Crawler.

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Fruz wrote:

Why would the crawler go back to follow you ? Or do you want to use all your flares and rip ?

So once the delve is done you can back track. Maybe this also means it is also the only time you can use flares. However the crawler doesn't follow you down the already cleared and lit path. Get it? Maybe? No? The crawler only teleports to the check point and stays there. Tell you start a Delve. It will never stop and wait for you while you are in a delve. Just so you can clear some stupid side area. That is for later. Something they call back tracking. You can just be another idiot who wants to clear a side area while delving.

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Fruz wrote:

PS : you should really stop with the obnoxious behaviour, becomes even if it takes a bit of time, you can be sure that your posts are not going to stay the way they are in this thread, definitely not with what's in there lol.

PS: It seems no one truly understands the delve not even you, and you telling me I'm obnoxious only makes me want to rub it in your face. That you are wrong. Maybe you should get your facts strait before you tell me I don't know what I am talking about. Even when I pointed out things in the FAQ. You still don't seem to get it. And if that isn't obnoxious I don't know what is.

Seeing how I am the only one in this thread that seems understands how the crawler works. Maybe you should shut up and listen for change. Otherwise the patch is really going to burn you when you find out how wrong you are. And maybe you won't but I foresee many people complaining after the patch. As it seems they aren't going to be able wrap the heads around it until aafter its out. Just like you.

You can not run backward with the crawler, but it looks like the way will be lit already indeed, I missed that part.
Good thing that I literally asked it as a question instead of makinga statement.
The fact that it is lit is probably to allow players to visit it later than during the delve, or just come back once they have flares, simply. We will see.

To be honest, I had mostly read the part about speed because you have been so aggressive to everybody else regarding this, there had to be something going on !
And of course .... there is ... but since I explained already once, I'm not going to try any harder.

Have fun.


PS : I was expecting this :)

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Fruz wrote:

PS : I was expecting this :)

You were expect what? To be wrong and in denial.

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Fruz wrote:

Good thing that I literally asked it as a question instead of makinga statement.

You didn't. You worded it in a sarcastic phase as if it was question when it really wasn't. I'm not stupid. I can read.

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Fruz wrote:

Why would the crawler go back to follow you ? Or do you want to use all your flares and rip ?

My case and point.

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Fruz wrote:

The fact that it is lit is probably to allow players to visit it later than during the delve, or just come back once they have flares, simply. We will see.

OMG now you jump on to what I was saying this whole fucking time. And you still don't seem to grasp it. Look you would be stupid to use flares for side areas during the delve. And to be honest I don't even think you can cast a flare during the delve. Every word they use seems to hint at that. Meaning back tracking is it's own thing and should always be done separate from delving.

So in the mine you can delve. Or explore by what they call "backtracking". Do you see the god damned key words yet?

"to allow players to" != "players can't do it otherwise"
just saying.


And there is one part of that last message of yours that I ( and probably others ) am dying to quote and point out that ... nop, not that case.



Cheers haha

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Fruz wrote:

"to allow players to" != "players can't do it otherwise"
just saying.

Uhh, what. When did I ever say it was 100% for sure. I just said it is worded that way. Just saying you don't seem to know how to use words.

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Fruz wrote:

And there is one part of that last message of yours that I ( and probably others ) am dying to quote and point out that ... nop, not that case.

Cheers haha

LOL. See I rest my case.

I'm going to go out on a limb and call it now. I am fairly certain that I am right.

Just so you know. While you are running a delve no items will drop. All supposed dropped items will be picked up by the crawler. Flares will be disabled as they want it to be more challenging. Side areas will be for backtracking only! With the use of flares/dynamite.

You only get items for the Delve if you complete it. Otherwise there is no loot. I'm like 99% sure this will be correct. And they will probable have to add this to the FAQ. As too many of you don't seem to get it. Or even realize these things to ask the question.

I rest my Fruz!!!

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TheLockedGuy wrote:

No max stacks on darkness?!?! So death 100% guarantee unless you stick by a stupid cart.

So adjust your position accordingly. Or it's too hard for you?

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TheLockedGuy wrote:

That picks ups your items?

Lots of players were literaly BEGGING for autoloot for years, and now, at last, we DO have it! And you dare to complain about it?

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TheLockedGuy wrote:

So when you die you get nothing? And not even a chance to redo it? Sounds 100% lame. But lets celebrate GGG has found another way to punish your char for dying. As if dying wasn't punishment enough.

Yes, dying isnt punishment enough (except for HC, ofc). If you dont care about leveling further (leyt's say, at 95 level or so - extra 5 levels barely matter something in terms of character power), you can die as often as you want, and dont give a shit about it.
And every time GGG inflicts a REAL death penalty (be it lab or delve), hordes of crybabies come and comlpain!

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TheLockedGuy wrote:

Like WTF are you suppose to do when your char gets as far as it can go down? It's not like it can start a new/different delve. What happens then? A new char, or end of league? For me it will probable just be the end of the league.

Delve is infinite in all directions! You can farm it at whatever "depth" you like, and dont run out of mobs or content in it. Didnt GGG made it clear? Maybe, you should actually READ their FAQ about Delve first?

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TheLockedGuy wrote:

Uhh, what. When did I ever say it was 100% for sure. I just said it is worded that way. Just saying you don't seem to know how to use words.

You do realize that I did quote specific sentences and bolded specific words to show you how you are missing something because of how it's worded, right ?

I will assume that you don't I guess.

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TheLockedGuy wrote:

I'm going to go out on a limb and call it now. I am fairly certain that I am right.

Just so you know. While you are running a delve no items will drop. All supposed dropped items will be picked up by the crawler. Flares will be disabled as they want it to be more challenging. Side areas will be for backtracking only! With the use of flares/dynamite.

You only get items for the Delve if you complete it. Otherwise there is no loot. I'm like 99% sure this will be correct. And they will probable have to add this to the FAQ. As too many of you don't seem to get it. Or even realize these things to ask the question.

Just so that you know, from the ZiggyD showcase video :
"If you need to slow down, the crawler will slow down with you"
or
"Run out of flares away from the crawler or its cabling and you may have to make a desperate final dash to safety", after what we saw the character run back to the crawler, which then starts moving again ( in the middle of the delve, so the crawler stoped, waited for the character, and then resumed its course as soon as the character came back ).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oc6NuiQrlOc

Now that it's obvious that you are wrong about the whole thing, what are you going to do ?
Apologize to people that you've been pretty much insulting in this thread ?

I think that I'll just quote you now :

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TheLockedGuy wrote:

Ouch... Why is this so hard to understand?