Delve? Worrisome

I don't get the hype around Delve. Sure some things look good. But most of it looks like crap.

I feel like movement skills will be shit this league. No flickering strike or charged dash builds I guess. Also channel skills might be fucked too. And if the league becomes permanent. Makes such skills inherently bad.

No max stacks on darkness?!?! So death 100% guarantee unless you stick by a stupid cart. That picks ups your items? So when you die you get nothing? And not even a chance to redo it? Sounds 100% lame. But lets celebrate GGG has found another way to punish your char for dying. As if dying wasn't punishment enough.

So light radius is even more useless and unimportant. And on a patch where you rework lighting? Seems odd but ok.

One Random static delve per character... But if you join a party you don't get solo credit for it? Even if you carried? I guess GGG really do hate player interaction. I could understand this choice if delves reset or something. But having it generate one random time per char + this. Sounds awful. Like really really bad. How does one get solo credit for a char, but also likes to play with his friends?

While some parts sound cool and interesting. The things I listed above will probable ruin it for me.

I really don't think people are going to like creating new characters just so they can Delve a little bit differently. Or get that solo ranking once they realize they can't for going to deep with a friend.

Like WTF are you suppose to do when your char gets as far as it can go down? It's not like it can start a new/different delve. What happens then? A new char, or end of league? For me it will probable just be the end of the league.

I am totally underwhelmed by this league. And the potential chance of getting notifications about players progress all league long. Is just another turn off for me. I don't care who is on the top. If I did I would be checking the ladder on POE a whole lot more than never.

The concept sounds cool. The implementation looks absolutely hideous to me. And if it goes down like this. I don't think it will last a week for most players.

If your character can't go any further down, why not go further left or right? GGG did say that horizontal progress is just as infinite as vertical. Left and right doesn't get harder or weaker either, so if your character's capability plateaus at a specific depth, just take a different direction.

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TheLockedGuy wrote:

No flickering strike or charged dash builds I guess.

What's wrong with Charged Dash? Did you miss the fact that it was reworked a short while ago to grant you 360-degree turning ability? You can pretty reliably control your final destination now, unless your movement speed is off the charts, or you have serious health problems (in which case lots of builds would already have been locked out from POE for you).

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TheLockedGuy wrote:

Like WTF are you suppose to do when your char gets as far as it can go down? It's not like it can start a new/different delve. What happens then? A new char, or end of league? For me it will probable just be the end of the league.

What do you do now when you get to end game and have nothing else to do? It's not like T16 is any hard anymore. Only Uber Elder is an actual challenge at this point. Delves at least will become more challenging than what we currently have so it ADDS time before you've done everything.

The rest I mean you're just nit picking on details and rambling on different topics, not really useful to argue or prove you wrong.

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adghar wrote:

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TheLockedGuy wrote:

No flickering strike or charged dash builds I guess.

What's wrong with Charged Dash? Did you miss the fact that it was reworked a short while ago to grant you 360-degree turning ability? You can pretty reliably control your final destination now, unless your movement speed is off the charts, or you have serious health problems (in which case lots of builds would already have been locked out from POE for you).

Guess you didn't watch the video. They say the crawler is escorting you... But I saw the guy in the trailer take darkness damage as it left him. Sense crawler's movement speed is based off your movement speed. And you need to Channel it. And other things. When you build charged dash movement speed is what makes it more survivable than anything else. I just don't see the ability of steering it making it great here. You will still have to stay in the light radius.

My guess you never actually tried it in the lab where you got to escort that stupid totem by staying in it's light. It is not easy for that skill. It will be the same exact same thing.

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Namcap wrote:

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TheLockedGuy wrote:

Like WTF are you suppose to do when your char gets as far as it can go down? It's not like it can start a new/different delve. What happens then? A new char, or end of league? For me it will probable just be the end of the league.

What do you do now when you get to end game and have nothing else to do? It's not like T16 is any hard anymore. Only Uber Elder is an actual challenge at this point. Delves at least will become more challenging than what we currently have so it ADDS time before you've done everything.

The rest I mean you're just nit picking on details and rambling on different topics, not really useful to argue or prove you wrong.

So your whole point is that you think I am wrong. So you don't want to argue because it is nit picking? Seems like a compout for disagreeing and not actually addressing any points I made.

Just because it has potential to extend the end game. Doesn't mean it will. If all the cons out weigh the benefits no one is going to do it. And the meer fact that your random delve is locked per char makes it seem more like a one time use to me.

You address none of my concerns, and call them all nit picking. I think your the one who just doesn't care. And have no insight further than more potential end game. It is a lame stance. And my opinion of you is even lower. If that's your stance, and yet you cared enough to comment. Maybe you should go nit pick your kids. Your opinion of my opinion is only that it is wrong. And no proof or argument to back it up.

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You address none of my concerns, and call them all nit picking. I think your the one who just doesn't care. And have no insight further than more potential end game. It is a lame stance. And my opinion of you is even lower. If that's your stance, and yet you cared enough to comment. Maybe you should go nit pick your kids. Your opinion of my opinion is only that it is wrong. And no proof or argument to back it up.

Wow, you must be fun at parties. Anyway, if you want feedback. You should post your complaints on reddit. Chris fixed the 'solo' delve thing 1 hour after 300+ people complained about it. That's why we have solo delves and party delves ladders.

If you do a delve solo, you rank-up the solo ladder, and if you do a party, you are put in the party delve ladder. Easy right? You aren't locked out of anything.

As for the speed cart, honestly, you can use a flare to stop the cart. So, meh, nothing to complain about. GG already said the cart can move at 300% speed, so the lab analogy you are making isn't right at all.

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RPGlitch wrote:

Wow, you must be fun at parties. Anyway, if you want feedback. You should post your complaints on reddit. Chris fixed the 'solo' delve thing 1 hour after 300+ people complained about it. That's why we have solo delves and party delves ladders.

If you do a delve solo, you rank-up the solo ladder, and if you do a party, you are put in the party delve ladder. Easy right? You aren't locked out of anything.

As for the speed cart, honestly, you can use a flare to stop the cart. So, meh, nothing to complain about. GG already said the cart can move at 300% speed, so the lab analogy you are making isn't right at all.

You clearly didn't read the solo delve thing right. If you are in a party you don't get solo credit. When you go solo afterwords (Meaning you already cleared the delve in a party) you still don't get solo credit. Because the delve doesn't reset! It is static per char. Easy right?

If I wanted feedback I would be like "GGG answer me". This is me giving GGG feedback. Two very different things. Don't you know what giving feedback means? I am in the feedback and suggestions forum. Wait let me double check... Yep I am in the right place. Are you?

LOL Flares!?!? Again you have a limited amount. Again it is you who doesn't seem to understand the skills or how delve works. Flares create more light for when your away from the crawler. They don't stop it!!!! The crawler's movement speed is based off your char. It's max is based off what a char can max. You don't seem to really understand anything they said past a static sentence. And you definitely don't understand the Flares. And I am guessing casting a flare will cancel any channel skill. So just know your 100% wrong on all accounts here.

You must be fun at parties. I bet everyone laughs their heads off at your... Well your understanding of things lets say. Good luck. Your going to need it.

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TheLockedGuy wrote:

You clearly didn't read the solo delve thing right. If you are in a party you don't get solo credit. When you go solo afterwords (Meaning you already cleared the delve in a party) you still don't get solo credit. Because the delve doesn't reset! It is static per char.

Yeah. I also happen to read the long thread about why they did that change. A lot of people gave their feedback about the solo delves. And their feedback was more important then yours.

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If I wanted feedback I would be like "GGG answer me". This is me giving GGG feedback. Two very different things. Don't you know what giving feedback means? I am in the feedback and suggestions forum. Wait let me double check... Yep I am in the right place. Are you?

I'm telling you a way to be smart about your feedback. If you want to be stupid. It's not my problem.

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LOL Flares!?!? Again you have a limited amount. Again it is you who doesn't seem to understand the skills or how delve works. Flares create more light for when your away from the crawler. They don't stop it!!!!

The cart is stopped when you explore side-zones with flares. It's in the launch video. I don't need to guess when I have two eyes.

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The crawler's movement speed is based off your char. It's max is based off what a char can max. You don't seem to really understand anything they said past a static sentence.

The reason I mentioned the crawler speed was because you kept saying delves were like the lab escort. That's not how the lab escort works. The lab escort moves slowly and is not based on the character's speed. It can't reach 300% movement speed and it doesn't slow down its speed if you are behind it. You are wrong on delves. If you can't admit you are wrong, that's fine too. I don't care.

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You must be fun at parties. I bet everyone laughs their heads off at your... Well your understanding of things lets say. Good luck. Your going to need it.

haha, yeah. No thanks. I don't need luck from you.

I can't understand. OP wants solo ladder to track him when he is in party? What the point, lol?

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heedkid wrote:

I can't understand. OP wants solo ladder to track him when he is in party? What the point, lol?

Uhh no. I want to be able to get solo credit after I played with my friends. You know solo'ing after the fact I delved with someone else. Without having to create a new char. Or possible running 50 rooms sideways. Or do you not understand how delve works? And that isn't even my main complaint. If that was the only problem with Delve I wouldn't have even bothered making the thread.