Elemental Hit Cold Roll doesn't proc Hrimburn "Cold damage can Ignite"

I've been trying this extensively over the weekend.

I blocked the fire roll with the threshold gem but no matter how high my crit is, even when it procs freeze/chill, i never get an ignite.

I know that the cold roll on EH does no fire damage, but the wording on Hrimburn is that "Your cold damage can ignite"

Is this working as intended?

If not, then what am I missing here?

Thanks, Toby.
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Applying ignite is dealing fire damage, which Elemental Hit can't do if it rolled cold damage. You're trying to apply a cold damage hit and a fire damage ailment, and only one of those things passes the "deal no non-cold damage" that Elemental Hit applies.
edited: nvm, thanks for replying.

seems the gloves convert cold to fire then try to ignite rather than having the ignite created by the cold damage itself.

another wording clash with items i guess.
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Last edited by farqueue#1273 on Jun 3, 2018, 7:46:58 PM
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Mark_GGG wrote:
Applying ignite is dealing fire damage, which Elemental Hit can't do if it rolled cold damage. You're trying to apply a cold damage hit and a fire damage ailment, and only one of those things passes the "deal no non-cold damage" that Elemental Hit applies.


Would this mean Yoke of Suffering (elemental damage can shock) wouldn't apply shock when not dealing lightning damage?
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Krogon wrote:
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Mark_GGG wrote:
Applying ignite is dealing fire damage, which Elemental Hit can't do if it rolled cold damage. You're trying to apply a cold damage hit and a fire damage ailment, and only one of those things passes the "deal no non-cold damage" that Elemental Hit applies.


Would this mean Yoke of Suffering (elemental damage can shock) wouldn't apply shock when not dealing lightning damage?


Why would it mean that? Shock is not dealing damage, Shock is just an effect on the enemy.

EH says "Can't deal non-X damage". It does not say anything about applying effects. Ignite does not work because Ignite is dealing Fire damage. (Similarly for Bleeding and Poison.) Shock, Chill, and Freeze should work just fine.
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farqueue wrote:
edited: nvm, thanks for replying.

seems the gloves convert cold to fire then try to ignite rather than having the ignite created by the cold damage itself.

another wording clash with items i guess.
No, it is not doing that. If it did, you couldn't deal the hit damage either, since it would be fire instead of cold. The damage of the hit is still cold, and the ignite is applied by cold damage, but the ignite itself is fundamentally fire damage. Igniting with other damage types doesn't make the ignite not deal fire damage itself.
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Mark_GGG wrote:
No, it is not doing that. If it did, you couldn't deal the hit damage either, since it would be fire instead of cold. The damage of the hit is still cold, and the ignite is applied by cold damage, but the ignite itself is fundamentally fire damage. Igniting with other damage types doesn't make the ignite not deal fire damage itself.


To be fair I can understand the above confusion as most of the damage mechanics don't usually effect dots... ie, you can't convert dots. But yeah this is it's own instance of only being able to deal a single damage type so I guess it makes sense.
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So if you're wearing an item that allows your cold to ignite, and using a skill that blocks all other sources of dmg while dealing cold it doesn't ignite? Sounds like a horrible design flaw to me.
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Iamod wrote:
So if you're wearing an item that allows your cold to ignite, and using a skill that blocks all other sources of dmg while dealing cold it doesn't ignite? Sounds like a horrible design flaw to me.


You are trying to deal fire damage - Ignite is always fire damage, regardless of which damage type caused it.

You have a modifier that says "You can't deal Fire damage".

It would be a design flaw if despite this modifier you were still able to deal fire damage with Ignite.

The mechanics are working correctly, and exactly as written in the descriptions.
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