[3.3] Crit Fire/Flamethrower Trapper! - League Starter

I have decided, along with many others, to start the Incursion league off with the new trap revamps. This is my take on the fire/flamethrower trap combo build. As this is a pre-launch build I would love and expect people to find things that I have missed. If you do see something that works better or have ideas let me know in the comments!

---Thanks to everyone in the comments for the advice and success stories!---

Update log– 08/29/2018


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I've been working on this exact build myself, and I've come to a very similar conclusion. I'm fairly new to working on my own builds, so I'm somewhat encouraged that I've been on the right track, despite there being some things that are glaring at me having seen your tree here. This is what I have so far. https://pastebin.com/4hgTHASL

I particularly like your use of MoM. I've been avoiding it in order to gain some more life (201% from tree) as I generally prefer a larger life pool as a HC player. However, I think I'll reconsider the points I've used to gain Purity of Flesh and put it into MoM. I did like the closeness to explosive impact, leaving that option open, but MoM seems a smarter commitment.

Also, will Pyromaniac help with the lack of leech/MoM mana requirement somewhat if we're spamming a now cooldownless fire trap? I can imagine a large number of traps going off rapidly giving us that sweet regen, or am I overestimating this?

Love to know your thoughts.

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MyGoodApollo wrote:

I've been working on this exact build myself, and I've come to a very similar conclusion. I'm fairly new to working on my own builds, so I'm somewhat encouraged that I've been on the right track, despite there being some things that are glaring at me having seen your tree here. This is what I have so far. https://pastebin.com/4hgTHASL

I particularly like your use of MoM. I've been avoiding it in order to gain some more life (201% from tree) as I generally prefer a larger life pool as a HC player. However, I think I'll reconsider the points I've used to gain Purity of Flesh and put it into MoM. I did like the closeness to explosive impact, leaving that option open, but MoM seems a smarter commitment.

Also, will Pyromaniac help with the lack of leech/MoM mana requirement somewhat if we're spamming a now cooldownless fire trap? I can imagine a large number of traps going off rapidly giving us that sweet regen, or am I overestimating this?

Love to know your thoughts.

Yea our passive tree's are pretty close. I've always liked taking MoM because I feel it's a huge defensive boost for characters that don't have a lot of armor/evasion. You could easily go more life or damage instead. Purity of Flesh and Explisive impact like your tree, or even the upper fire circle.

The benefits of Pryomaniac as a defensive passive are huge. One thing I've learned since playing is that it doesn't matter how much damage you do if you die =O although the Born in the Shadows seems like a good option as well. Blind and the Dmg increase. I might try both.

Love this. I haven't played PoE since the 10 acts came out, and I am excited to come back especially since traps are looking really nice. I hope to see this guide become more detailed throughout the first week or so of the league. I was wondering if you could possibly do a short leveling guide regarding what passives to take, or just a general guide on where to go.

Thanks so much!

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CircAGG wrote:

Love this. I haven't played PoE since the 10 acts came out, and I am excited to come back especially since traps are looking really nice. I hope to see this guide become more detailed throughout the first week or so of the league. I was wondering if you could possibly do a short leveling guide regarding what passives to take, or just a general guide on where to go.

Thanks so much!

Yea once I level up a bit and try out a few of different setups it will be easier to flesh this out. I'll add some gameplay video's, leveling tips, any uniques or jewels I find. I'm not as fast as all those super racers so it might take me some time =P

Thanks for this guide.

Question: is CWDT > Flammability > Curse on Hit > Ball Lightning
that reliable? Wouldn't we be better off just self-casting Flammability on bosses?

Any thoughts on Scorching Ray Totem for the fire resist debuff?

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Nairul wrote:

Thanks for this guide.

Question: is CWDT > Flammability > Curse on Hit > Ball Lightning
that reliable? Wouldn't we be better off just self-casting Flammability on bosses?

Any thoughts on Scorching Ray Totem for the fire resist debuff?

Very Good ideas!

I have used the CWDT > Flammability > Curse on Hit > Ball Lightning on a few other builds and it has always been pretty good. They are changing ball lightning up in 3.3 to make it faster so I'll have to test it to see if it's as reliable.

Personally for grinding out and general gameplay I find things like adding golems and curses to sit it and forget it(CWDT setups) suits me better. If you don't mind having to micro manage 5-6 skills then sure add the more reliable self cast curse and totem for the benefits.

Here is the thing though, I already plan on Shield charging around, throwing fire traps, throwing flamethrower traps and possible a bear trap or vaal skill. So adding any more than three and you have a lot to manage.

The problem with builds like this is defense. I'd probably go Pyro and Born In Shadows as opposed to explosives expert to be honest. The regen and blind is crazy good and traps are already going to do crazy amounts of damage. Fire trap has 200% damage effectiveness, you throw in an essence work with anger and that's a lot of added damage to fire trap (Abyss jewels too).

Don't underestimate trigger area of effect, it's super useful. If you get enough, you can skip chain reaction or go Ascendant Sabo/(insert second option) as opposed to just sabo. You still get the blind and regen, but can pair it with something like Elementalist of Chieftain (Even Pathfinder. Although that'd probably be more suited to projectile or physical traps).

Master sapper is a pretty damn decent node too if you can somehow fit it in.

If Flamethrower trap turns out to be more dps than fire trap, you'd probably want fire trap in shaped gloves/helmet too. Suppose we'll have to wait till we can get gems into POB for that though. '

Basically going to be doing a similar build, still fine turning it though. That 200% damage effectiveness on fire trap is too juicy to pass up.

Edit: Forgot to mention, unstable construction may not be the best. The traps have to rearm before they can explode and have to be triggered again, they also count towards your trap limit. Even if that has gone higher, may still mess up your rotation. Have to test it though irl to see.

Edit 2: Essence worm, Lavignias (however it's spelt) spirit are two uniques to consider. Arctic Armour or herald of ash are some auras to consider too. Also, life and crit multi would be what I'd be looking for on jewels. Once you get enough crit chance, you wanna stack multi. In the tree too you take some crit chance when you should be taking multi. Diamond flask will help with chance enough. Alira is also really good, since we benefit from all three stats given. You could probably take away the two 16% trap damage nodes on the trap wheel.

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Zac89 wrote:

The problem with builds like this is defense. I'd probably go Pyro and Born In Shadows as opposed to explosives expert to be honest. The regen and blind is crazy good and traps are already going to do crazy amounts of damage. Fire trap has 200% damage effectiveness, you throw in an essence work with anger and that's a lot of added damage to fire trap (Abyss jewels too).

Don't underestimate trigger area of effect, it's super useful. If you get enough, you can skip chain reaction or go Ascendant Sabo/(insert second option) as opposed to just sabo. You still get the blind and regen, but can pair it with something like Elementalist of Chieftain (Even Pathfinder. Although that'd probably be more suited to projectile or physical traps).

Master sapper is a pretty damn decent node too if you can somehow fit it in.

If Flamethrower trap turns out to be more dps than fire trap, you'd probably want fire trap in shaped gloves/helmet too. Suppose we'll have to wait till we can get gems into POB for that though. '

Basically going to be doing a similar build, still fine turning it though. That 200% damage effectiveness on fire trap is too juicy to pass up.

Edit: Forgot to mention, unstable construction may not be the best. The traps have to rearm before they can explode and have to be triggered again, they also count towards your trap limit. Even if that has gone higher, may still mess up your rotation. Have to test it though irl to see.

That is very interesting. I didn't even consider it the defensive side of Born in the Shadows over Explosives Expert.

Master sapper is a good node but it's 5 points out of the way. If you wanted to sacrifice some crit it or have enough crit in your gear it might be worth taking!

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weallgotissues wrote:

That is very interesting. I didn't even consider it the defensive side of Born in the Shadows over Explosives Expert.

Master sapper is a good node but it's 5 points out of the way. If you wanted to sacrifice some crit it or have enough crit in your gear it might be worth taking!

Made another edit too, check that out. Well, If the CD reduction from Sabo turns out to be enough (when paired with new support gem Advanced Traps) then you can drop the trap wheel near Chaos inoculation and pick up master sapper. Also drop two of the nodes from the trap wheel (probably the damage ones as opposed to the speed throw ones). That way you have a way of generating frenzies if you don't have tinker skin or don't want to use it. Could throw in a belly or Perfect form for free arctic armour.