ALL HAIL PRESIDENT TRUMP

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The_Impeacher wrote:
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DarthSki44 wrote:
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The_Impeacher wrote:
Finally!

"I am completely and utterly perplexed by those who argue that perjury and obstruction of justice are not high crimes and misdemeanors." -- Mitch McConnell


Finally what?

Trump hasnt been charged with either of those things after the investigation.


Impeachment doesn't involve a judicial process.

The OLC opinion doesn't allow charging a sitting President, not even illegitimate ones like Trump. Mueller's purpose was to gather the facts for Congress to decide.


I didn't say anything about impeachment.

Mueller is a prosecutor. Bringing charges is exactly what they do. Barr has indicated that the OLC opinion wasnt a factor and Mueller didnt deny or agree in any of his statements.

The only thing he did say was some laywerish linguistic gymnastics that if he was fully exonerated he would have said so. Which is a bullshit pussy move.

Mueller is a coward and I'm glad he will slink back into the abyss for which he came. Bye.

As for Impeachment, it's a disaster on all fronts for Dems. Not only does it rally the base, and give Trump fuel for "they are out to get me" media push, but he will be acquitted in the Senate and be able to use that as being exonerated twice.

"Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak out and remove all doubt."
- Abraham Lincoln
Mueller wasn't able to prosecute Trump. The flawed OLC memo prevented it, so he listed the evidence of crimes. He wasn't legally able to make a judgement. However, he could have exonerated and would have if there weren't evidence to the contrary. :)

Mueller is a war hero. Trump is a conman who scammed the system with a fake ailment to avoid serving in the military. Now THAT is true cowardice.
If there was no way that Mueller could charge Trump due to the OLC opinion... then what in the flying fuck did we spend the last 2 years and millions of dollars doing, exactly?

Similarly, the OLC opinion has no bearing on Mueller charging any of Trump's family or associates with crimes related to collusion or conspiracy. That never happened, so what's the excuse?

The bullshit just keeps piling up and the vast majority of Americans are completely done with this issue.

It's obvious that Trump wasn't guilty of jack shit and that his detractors are a pack of partisan hyenas that have dragged the intel community and the DOJ through the mud.
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pneuma wrote:
If there was no way that Mueller could charge Trump due to the OLC opinion... then what in the flying fuck did we spend the last 2 years and millions of dollars doing, exactly?

Similarly, the OLC opinion has no bearing on Mueller charging any of Trump's family or associates with crimes related to collusion or conspiracy. That never happened, so what's the excuse?

The bullshit just keeps piling up and the vast majority of Americans are completely done with this issue.

It's obvious that Trump wasn't guilty of jack shit and that his detractors are a pack of partisan hyenas that have dragged the intel community and the DOJ through the mud.


Because the Russian government was (still is) attacking the democratic process. That's why the investigation began.

Trump Obstructed that investigation by firing Comey, so Rosenstein appointed Mueller with a 100% blessing of Congress (both R & D)

You say partisan, but ALL of the investigations were overseen by Republicans lol
Meanwhile, in the swamp: https://www.businessinsider.com/ocasio-cortez-ted-cruz-team-up-ban-lawmakers-lobbying-2019-5

Don't think for a moment that anything will come of this. Running for Congress is not the prize, it is the entrance to a massive fortune, all but guaranteed.

Nice to fantasize about it though. Nothing would ever be the same. In a good way. :)

Edit: I can almost guarantee the dopey socialist brigade will come here and talk about how lobbyists are a good thing or some other stupid rubbish. Or say that AOC invented this brain fart.

Wrong on both counts. This has been kicked around for years before either of them. Nothing ever happened, nor will it ever.
Censored.
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The_Impeacher wrote:
Because the Russian government was (still is) attacking the democratic process. That's why the investigation began.

Which happens to have nothing to do with Trump. The Russians would have done it regardless of the R nominee because they hate Clinton's guts. Also: at no point has anyone proven that 2016 was abnormal in terms of outside interference compared to all other election years.

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The_Impeacher wrote:
Trump Obstructed that investigation by firing Comey

He fired Comey and according to Mueller himself did not obstruct the investigation in doing so. You're lying and you know it.

And more to the point, what does that have to do with (as you state) the Russian attack on the democratic process? Obstruction was always outside of his purview, if you believe that Mueller believes the OLC doesn't allow for charging the president.

Some good reading:
Alan Dershowitz: Shame on Robert Mueller for exceeding his role
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Until today, I have defended Mueller against the accusations that he is a partisan. I did not believe that he personally favored either the Democrats or the Republicans, or had a point of view on whether President Trump should be impeached. But I have now changed my mind. By putting his thumb, indeed his elbow, on the scale of justice in favor of impeachment based on obstruction of justice, Mueller has revealed his partisan bias. He also has distorted the critical role of a prosecutor in our justice system.
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I'll state it again.

Mueller was UNABLE to make a prosecutorial judgement for Obstruction because the OLC policy forbids it. He couldn't say even if he thought there might be Obstruction because there is no judicial process allowed.

The judgement is for Congress to make.

Listen to Mueller's own statement and read the report. He explicitly states the reasoning.
Dershowitz is under investigation for human trafficking with his old pal, Jeffrey Epstein. He's trying to beef up his defense fund.
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The_Impeacher wrote:
I'll state it again.

Mueller was UNABLE to make a prosecutorial judgement for Obstruction because the OLC policy forbids it.

I'll state it again.

Then why did he investigate Trump?

I'm saying your argument is crap.

Here's the reality: Barr: Mueller could have decided on Obstruction.
He could have, and he didn't, and him riling up people about OLC is pure theater.
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pneuma wrote:
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The_Impeacher wrote:
I'll state it again.

Mueller was UNABLE to make a prosecutorial judgement for Obstruction because the OLC policy forbids it.

I'll state it again.

Then why did he investigate Trump?


Because Trump interfered with the investigation, and allowed and encouraged the continued contacts of Russian nationals with members of his campaign and other associates.

I need to correct you here too. It wasn't Trump specifically that was being investigated, it was his campaign. Big difference.

Barr is lying. Mueller was UNABLE to decide. I'll also say this: Barr will be either disbarred, impeached, indicted for his lies, both to Congress and the American people.

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