ALL HAIL PRESIDENT TRUMP

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Budget_player_cadet wrote:

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Raycheetah wrote:

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Turtledove wrote:

Yes, a populist is a good term. Populist white nationalist would be even better, I think.

Hey, you elect whoever gives you your preference. Meanwhile, President Donald J. Trump is helping minorities in ways no previous president has done. =^[.]^=

I'm sure there's some reality in which what you said makes sense. Problem is... this is earth. And here, Trump's symbols and slogans have been adopted by white nationalist movements across the globe. They certainly think he's a white nationalist. And why wouldn't they? After all, there were fine people on both sides at Charlottesville.

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Budget_player_cadet wrote:

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Raycheetah wrote:

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Turtledove wrote:

Yes, a populist is a good term. Populist white nationalist would be even better, I think.

Hey, you elect whoever gives you your preference. Meanwhile, President Donald J. Trump is helping minorities in ways no previous president has done. =^[.]^=

I'm sure there's some reality in which what you said makes sense. Problem is... this is earth. And here, Trump's symbols and slogans have been adopted by white nationalist movements across the globe. They certainly think he's a white nationalist. And why wouldn't they? After all, there were fine people on both sides at Charlottesville.

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Raycheetah wrote:

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Budget_player_cadet wrote:

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Raycheetah wrote:

Hey, you elect whoever gives you your preference. Meanwhile, President Donald J. Trump is helping minorities in ways no previous president has done. =^[.]^=

I'm sure there's some reality in which what you said makes sense. Problem is... this is earth. And here, Trump's symbols and slogans have been adopted by white nationalist movements across the globe. They certainly think he's a white nationalist. And why wouldn't they? After all, there were fine people on both sides at Charlottesville.

President Trump is a Nationalist, that is true. And he is a caucasian. To conflate the two into "fascist racist" is ridiculous on the face of it. =9[.]9=

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Housing discrimination cases
In 1973 the U.S. Department of Justice sued Trump Management, Donald Trump and his father Fred, for discrimination against black people in their renting practices. The impetus for the suit was the Trumps' alleged refusal to "rent apartments in one of his developments to African-Americans", violating the Fair Housing Act.

Testers from the New York City Human Rights Division had found that prospective black renters at Trump buildings were told there were no apartments available, while prospective White renters were offered apartments at the same buildings. During the investigation four of Trump's agents admitted to using a "C" or "9" code to show which applicants were Black and stated that they were told their company "discouraged rental to blacks" or that they were "not allowed to rent to black tenants," and that prospective Black renters should be sent to the central office while White renters could have their applications accepted on site. Three doormen testified to being told to discourage prospective Black renters by lying about the rental prices or claiming no vacancies were available.[29][30] A settlement was reached in 1975 where Trump agreed to familiarize himself with the Fair Housing Act, take out ads stating that Black renters were welcome, give a list of vacancies to the Urban League on a weekly basis, and allow the Urban League to present qualified candidates for 20% of vacancies in properties that were less than 10% non-White.

The Trump Organization was sued again in 1978 for violating terms of the 1975 settlement by continuing to refuse to rent to black tenants; Trump and his lawyer Roy Cohn denied the charges. In 1983 the Metropolitan Action Institute noted that two Trump Village properties were still over 95% White.

Central Park jogger case
Main article: Central Park jogger case § Accusations by Donald Trump
On the night of April 19, 1989, Trisha Meili was assaulted, raped, and sodomized in Manhattan's Central Park. On the night of the attack, five juvenile males—four African Americans and one of Hispanic descent—were apprehended in connection with a number of attacks in Central Park committed by around 30 teenage perpetrators. The prosecution ignored evidence suggesting there was a single perpetrator whose DNA did not match any of the suspects, instead using confessions that the suspects said were coerced and false. They were convicted in 1990 by juries in two separate trials, receiving sentences ranging from 5 to 15 years. The attacks were highly publicised in the media.

On May 1, 1989, Trump called for the return of the death penalty by taking out a full-page advertisement in all four of the city's major newspapers. He said he wanted the "criminals of every age" who were accused of beating and raping a jogger in Central Park "to be afraid."[39] Trump told Larry King on CNN: "The problem with our society is the victim has absolutely no rights and the criminal has unbelievable rights" and, speaking of another case where a woman was raped and thrown out a window, "maybe hate is what we need if we're gonna get something done."

In 2002, an imprisoned serial rapist confessed to the jogger's rape, which was confirmed by DNA evidence, and the convictions of the five men were vacated. They sued New York City in 2003 for malicious prosecution, racial discrimination, and emotional distress. Lawyers for the five defendants said that Trump's advertisement had inflamed public opinion. The city settled the case for $41 million in 2014. In June of that year, Trump called the settlement "a disgrace" and said that the group's guilt was still likely: "Settling doesn't mean innocence. [...] These young men do not exactly have the pasts of angels."

In October 2016, when Trump campaigned to be president, he said that Central Park Five were guilty and that their convictions should never have been vacated,[44] attracting criticism from the Central Park Five themselves[45] and others. Republican Senator John McCain retracted his endorsement of Trump, citing in part "outrageous statements about the innocent men in the Central Park Five case." Yusuf Salaam, one of the five defendants, said that he had falsely confessed out of coercion, after having been mistreated by police while in custody. Filmmaker Ken Burns, who directed the documentary The Central Park Five that helped clear the names of the accused, called Trump's comments "the height of vulgarity" and "out and out racism".

Black professionals
In a 1989 interview with Bryant Gumbel, Trump stated: "A well-educated black has a tremendous advantage over a well-educated white in terms of the job market." Fortune Magazine reported that Trump's statement was not confirmed by studies of factual evidence concerning the impact of an applicant's race on their job prospects.

In his 1991 book Trumped! John O'Donnell quoted Trump as saying:

I've got black accountants at Trump Castle and at Trump Plaza. Black guys counting my money! I hate it. The only kind of people I want counting my money are short guys wearing yarmulkes.... Those are the only kind of people I want counting my money. Nobody else... Besides that, I tell you something else. I think that's guy's lazy. And it's probably not his fault because laziness is a trait in blacks.

In an interview in 1997, he admitted that the information in the book was "probably true". Two years later, when seeking the nomination of the Reform Party for president, he denied having made the statement.

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Budget_player_cadet wrote:

And more to the point, it's not exactly Trump's agenda. If we're going to give the guy credit for signing uncontroversial maintenance bills that cross his desk, then it won't be hard to come up with a list like this for any president.

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There's a reason this stuff doesn't tend to make the news, and I haven't heard about it - and it's the same reason you probably haven't seen similar lists about the Obama administration.

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You end up with things like his big Tax Cut bill, which somehow managed the unique achievement of being an unpopular tax cut.

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So just so we're clear, you literally cannot google the family separation policy without running across a half-dozen sources pointing out that the bolded part is simply not true. The Bush and Obama administration separated families under specific circumstances - mostly when there was legitimate concern that the children were the victims of trafficking.

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Budget_player_cadet wrote:

In fact, we've since received signed documents from DHS that prove that the family separation program was intentionally meant as deterrence - showing not only that this was a clear break with Obama-era policy, but also that the cruelty was the point.

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RPGlitch wrote:

I'm pretty sure the point was to decrease migrants, not inflict undue cruelty on people.

All illegal migrants are putting themselves and children at risk by crossing the border illegally. They are going to get hurt or die. Most of them fail to get in…

And if we can stop people the people crossing from getting, raped, murdered, or killed by separating their families. It should put into action, even if it restricts the rights of the people involved.

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RPGlitch wrote:

And those that do get in put an undue strain on the communities involved (as we can see in Europe).

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Turtledove wrote:

There are many reasons that people think Trump is racist.

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Budget_player_cadet wrote:

I'm sure there's some reality in which what you said makes sense. Problem is... this is earth. And here, Trump's symbols and slogans have been adopted by white nationalist movements across the globe. They certainly think he's a white nationalist. And why wouldn't they? After all, there were fine people on both sides at Charlottesville.

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ScrotieMcB wrote:

Ellipsis mine.

By the same logic, the way to prevent urban crime is to increase the property taxes in the highest-crime neighborhoods, to encourage residents to leave.

You're advocating a policy of kicking people while they're down in order to make a perilous journey even more perilous. If that isn't an outright hateful approach to solving the problem, it is at best coldly contemptuous.

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ScrotieMcB wrote:

Stop hiding your power level, Glitch. You don't like what the immigrants have done to Europe and are doing/threatening to do to the United States, and you blame them, in whole or in part, for it — as is evidenced by your policy preferences.

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Maybe we should be turning away more immigrants (even legal immigrants) than we currently are (or maybe not). But if we do turn people away, we sure as shit shouldn't be putting salt on the wound by punishing them on top of rejecting them. Just as with any professionally conducted job interview, we should treat those who aren't selected with dignity and respect, until and unless they do something to earn our contempt that is more egregious than existing within our jurisdiction.