ALL HAIL PRESIDENT TRUMP

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deathflower wrote:

You are bullshitting and don't look at facts when you say Democrats don't support tax cuts for middle class. Both parties distorted the facts. Take your own advice and stop crying wolf, or no one will take you seriously. Both parties are unpopular, use rhetoric and frame the other side as worse. This include Democrats. liberal, progressive, Republicans, Conservatives and Trumpsters. Don’t be a zombie hypocrite.

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JNF wrote:

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deathflower wrote:

You are bullshitting and don't look at facts when you say Democrats don't support tax cuts for middle class. Both parties distorted the facts. Take your own advice and stop crying wolf, or no one will take you seriously. Both parties are unpopular, use rhetoric and frame the other side as worse. This include Democrats. liberal, progressive, Republicans, Conservatives and Trumpsters. Don’t be a zombie hypocrite.

Name one instance in which libs cut taxes for the middle class. Just one.

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deathflower wrote:

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Kamchatka wrote:

Sorry, yeah I mainly meant liberal politicians do not want permanent tax cuts. I'm sure some of their voters do.

Liberals had 100% control of the government when President Obama was elected, and they had no interest in permanent middle class tax cuts.

The Republicans do want to make them permanent, but need 60 Senate votes. Who knows, maybe a few democrats will help.

You are bullshitting and don't look at facts when you say Democrats don't support tax cuts for middle class. Both parties distorted the facts. Take your own advice and stop crying wolf, or no one will take you seriously. Both parties are unpopular, use rhetoric and frame the other side as worse. This include Democrats. liberal, progressive, Republicans, Conservatives and Trumpsters. Don’t be a zombie hypocrite.

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MBata wrote:

Both political parties want to help people that are less advantaged.

It is the method by which the want to do it that is different, their goals are the same.

Liberals want everyone to pool their money and then have a group of people decide what to do with it.
Conservatives want people to give their money to the disadvantaged groups without it being channeled through the government first.

Link:

Spoiler

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/08/19/giving-back-_n_3781505.html

The other think separating the parties is federal v. state rights. Liberals want a big federal government that will be the one go-to authority for all government related matters. Conservatives believe that federal powers should be severely curtailed and limited only to national defense and a few other smaller tasks, and that states should take on the bulk of the responsibilities for governing.



When people try to stereotype the right as a bunch of heartless fat cats that want to suppress the common man, or the left as a bunch of dirty hippies or minorities that just want money for nothing - it leads to emotional name calling and doesn't lead to a fruitful discussion on politics.

Rather than identify as either left or right politically, one should consider each issue personally. The political spectrum is not black and white, it is not even grayscale, it exists in a variety of colors, hues, and tones.

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Kamchatka wrote:

Someone correct me if I am wrong, but aren't Mormons forced to give 10% or face punishment or get kicked out of church?

Some protestant churches do this as well.

That definitely is not charity.

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MBata wrote:

It is the method by which the want to do it that is different, their goals are the same.

Liberals want everyone to pool their money and then have a group of people decide what to do with it.

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MBata wrote:

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Kamchatka wrote:

Someone correct me if I am wrong, but aren't Mormons forced to give 10% or face punishment or get kicked out of church?

Some protestant churches do this as well.

That definitely is not charity.

two questions:
1) does religious affiliation positively correlate to political tendencies?

2) All religions have a component of charity. Generally christians are supposed tithe 10% of wages to the church. This goes way back to when churches were the only source of social welfare in existence. Hospitals, orphanages, poor houses, disaster relief, food, education, all of it was run by the churches until governments decided to co-opt it. The Islamic equivalent of tithing is zakat, in Judaism it is called Tzedakah. In every religion charity is held in the highest regard, and is considered a personal obligation.

I believe social welfare is the responsibility of individuals and religions, not governments.

It would be nice if qualified charitable donations were 100% tax deductible up to a certain total of your total tax burden.

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JNF wrote:

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deathflower wrote:

You are bullshitting and don't look at facts when you say Democrats don't support tax cuts for middle class. Both parties distorted the facts. Take your own advice and stop crying wolf, or no one will take you seriously. Both parties are unpopular, use rhetoric and frame the other side as worse. This include Democrats. liberal, progressive, Republicans, Conservatives and Trumpsters. Don’t be a zombie hypocrite.

Name one instance in which libs cut taxes for the middle class. Just one.