ALL HAIL PRESIDENT TRUMP
" I think there is a major misunderstanding on what basis was Trump elected. Between the rampant neoliberal economy depleting the West by searching for marginal profits in countries like China and demographic (= cultural / ethnic) displacement caused by mass immigration, Trump was inevitable. And more Trump-like politicians are inevitable, as long as the source problems will persist. Not only Trump, but all other right-wing swings in Europe - same cause. And not only right-wing swings, but socialist left-wing swings too. The status-quo is dying. See France - globalist elitism is hated by most people. I seriously wonder what would'd you consider "balance" in the case of USA? Because both establishment parties have only more of the same to offer: more neoliberal capitalism, more foreign wars, more unchecked immigration, more policies that are paid by corporate donors. More of the stuff that caused Trump (a "radical" politician, in your view) cannot be balance. I'm afraid we have a different meaning of "balance" or a different understanding of what are the source problems. Balance for me means keeping a stable society on a cultural, ethnic and economic level, where people can provide for their families with their own work, not with governmental handouts fueled by debt. Balance IS putting your country first. A globalist neoliberal system (= privatizing profits, while socializing losses), which both establishment Democrats & Republicans offer, is not balanced. Neither is forced multiculturalism. Returning back to pre 2016 paradigm (both in USA & Europe) is not a "middle ground" I'm willing to entertain. Trump is the middle ground between the extreme that both parties represent and have practiced over the past decades. He is both an economic and a cultural phenomenon. If you want the system to keep doing what has been doing so far - more neoliberal globalism, then one day you'll see an actual far right administration (or a far left one, that's possible too). TLDR; Trump was elected on these points: * stopping (illegal) mass immigration * bringing back jobs * stop to pointless ME wars, bleeding USA's already empty coffers (his coarse politically incorrect demeanor is just a bonus. You might think he's a charlatan, but I think every other politician is just a sterile empty suit or a suave liar, while Trump is a genuine person, even if clumsy & objectionable) As long as those points persist, more "Trumps" will be elected. When night falls She cloaks the world In impenetrable darkness Last edited by morbo#1824 on Dec 12, 2018, 3:35:41 AM
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I agree Morbo. Trump is basically the backlash to decades of career politicians shitting on the average American. Republican and Democrat alike.
Thats why he was elected. A lot of people who voted for him, at least in my neck of the woods, did so because he was brash, different, and not a politician. They feel more connected to him as an American(even though his billionaire ass is pretty far removed from most people). He was basically the middle finger from the masses to the political establishment. Its a sad state of affairs when people legit don't think Politicians are very American or have American interests in mind. All the lobbying, corporate and big pharma/companies basically paying for their own presidents/laws, jobs going overseas, immigration, you name it. It all feels like putting american citizens 2nd. All this lead to a president like Trump. Luckily, hes doing a good job and not completely screwing the pooch. But I also see more and more of these kinds of politicians coming down the pipeline. Trump was just the first. |
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" Yes, well, in case we all lived under a rock the past 2 years, thank you for explaining the basic Trump voter. What you may not be aware of (seemingly) is that Trump has not only screwed the pooch and made a mockery of democracy, the US, and the POTUS position, he has made things WORSE, mostly for the US guys, but also anyone in the world. You talk at length about globalism, the elites, and how the bluecollar workers suffered under previous administrations. No mention of specific events like the financial crisis (which to me seems odd) or current affairs. Trump's voting basis: 1. Immigration - the effects (fiscal and otherwise) vs reality. 2. Unemployment - attribution to Trump or Obama? 3. War, military interventionism, particularly in the Middle-East - simply due to not having enough in the coffers, or more to it than that? Some discussion. 1. The fiscal effects of immigration have largely been noted to be plus or minus negligible % of GDP per year. There are many studies on this. It is baffling how a nation of immigrants, decides suddenly to become anti-immigration based on skin colour (race is a social construct to begin with, as discussed earlier). Then again, matters of race, do seem prevalent still in said country. In some ways it is the most modern country, though in others, it is terribly backwards. The xenophobic rhetoric works wonders as a scapegoat during times of recession. When times are good, people stop hating other people due to something as trivial as skin pigmentation. And what happened in 2011? Oh. Recession. The knee-jerk reaction is to vote someone who is really hard on immigration, because after all, they are the ones stealing your money, job, and women. Though, to be fair, if an uneducated guy from Honduras who does not speak English, and who walked all the way from there with a bag of his earthly possessions, can steal your money, job and woman, then maybe they deserve it. Separating parents from children, internment camps, and other cruelties are just completely unnecessary. You have the power to not be evil. You chose not to use it. 2. Unemployment is low. And has stayed low for ages. This should indeed be good news for pretty much everyone. I mean, these levels are consistently noted to precede recessions, but that's still in the realm of 'maybe coming soon'. But this shows the apparent attribution of positive things to Trump, and negative things to Obama. Honestly, I don't know how people don't realise the first federal budget by Trump came out in Q3 2017 and that up until then it was Obama's budget at play. THen there is the lag time involved in any macroeconomic policy affecting things like unemployment. Apparently things like Trump policies to, have driven interest rates higher, made deficits bigger and led to a trade war, and are risking a global slowdown and even a recession, is entirely besides the point, because on this day 12th of December 2018, the sun is still shining, the Earth is Flat, and bluecollar workers (some of them not affected by the trade wars yet) still have their jobs. 3. Well, you are clearly involved in a conflict in the Middle-East, a really nasty affair where Yemen is being starved and bombarded by Saudi Arabia and UAE. It's just that not many people know about it. Seeing as you are buddy buddies with Saudi Arabia (great friendship, I'm sure), and Russia, no wonder the new axis of evil in the world is the US, Russia and Saudi Arabia. Nevermind climate change... |
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" I dont know anything about these oddball internet news sites like vox, Breitbart ect maybe they lie? But I meant foxnews, CNN ect, they dont lie generally, but they report facts in a manipulative biased way. Honestly, the only news I watch on TV is the catholic news on ewtn. When they report on USA stuff, they just report what happened, there isnt a ton of manipulation & bias (mostly, except on specific issues like abortion, but you gotta expect that) |
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" good lord man. Yes, the only reason we hate TRump, is because he has threatened to cut off his financial aid to Scandinavia! How will I buy cocaine and energy drinks now??? It is inconceivable in my mind, how one gets to be of the opinion, the US is a force of good around the world and contributes the most in foreign aid. You realise right that most of your foreign aid is actually military aid to oh-so-innocent countries like Israel? You seem to think the US is giving out free money to 96% of the countries in the world. So wrong, on so many levels. As a proportion of GNI (gross national income), the US contributes 0.18% of GNI in foreign development aid/assistance in 2017. Spain and Portugal are at similar levels, and there's about 20 other countries contributing more than you. Sweden the most, with about 1% of GNI. In absolute terms, you contribute the most of course. Now consider that most of it is military aid to places like Israel, Iraq and Afghanistan, your humanitarian efforts seem a bit um...conflicted. Keep your blood money. I'll buy my energy drinks myself, ty very much. |
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" I will. The blood money the Obama administration was handing out for 8 years. Since all of those stats you googled up come from 2012 to 2017 most likely. But the Democrats are a peace loving bunch, amirite? I'd like to keep some of that money, personally. Oh, and you hate Trump because you dont like him. I get it. Hes polarizing. Hate him all you want. But truth is America is doing great under Trump, whether you like it or not. (WE know the haters just pray he fails, cause thats how people are)And more than likely he will be re-elected in 2 years, and you got 4 more years to complain about him. I really do think you guys sit around and pray he screws America up just so you can gloat, and it just eats you alive inside that hes actually doing incredibly well; so much that you have to find ways to rationalize off his success. WINNING, as they say. |
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" I hate Trump because in 2 years he has managed to affect my family for generations to come, over across the world. I'm talking about climate change. I've explained this before on many occasions, but probably not to you. I don't think anyone has to explain their motives when commenting on current affairs, but whatever floats your boat man. The fact that he is a criminal, and a criminally corrupt pathological liar, does entertain me, but is merely a distraction from my hatred of him. Dave man, you seem not aware of the current affairs at all. You realise the situation now is worse than it ever was with Nixon and Watergate right? You realise the US is now literally branded as on the axis of evil in the world? I know you don't care how the world thinks, but think of it in terms of trade. How can you sell your shit to other countries without having common ground? Walking away from the Paris agreement literally meant you were denied a trade agreement with the world's largest trading bloc, the EU. That will for sure impact blue collar workers in the states, if it has not done so already. You honestly think the trade wars with China and the EU benefit the people of the US? How? |
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" Oh, and why do you think not many people know that? Is maybe the myriad of liberal "news" outlets not reporting on the Yemeni war? Do Americans even know that the war in Yemen was fully supported by & started under Obama admin? The same with the war in Syria. How many americans know US military is still occupying Syrian land and why CNN doesn't talk about it? I guess "muh Russia collusion" is a more pressing matter... ;) Who exactly is buddy with Russia? Trump? The US gov? Can you show one instance of this friendship? Name just one thing that Russia gained politically, with Trump in power. --- On immigraton; the american people have spoken. It's the #1 issue in the country, besides the economy. An no, "infinity migrants" is not a human right nor a realistic policy conducive to economic & social stability. You cannot look at the issue only through the lense of private corporate profits & GDP. Emotional platitudes are irrelevant. Asylum seekers are being detained to facilitate the asylum process. Criminals are arrested. Asylum is given to political dissidents, not to random economic migrants. The country already has something like 20 million (latest estimate 11 - 30 mio) illegal aliens. Don't need more, especially not infinity numbers. When night falls
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" Yeah, Trump has managed to doom the planet & solar system to global warming in just 2 years. But the economic recovery is all due to the previous administration. :P " By whom? Liberal corporate rags? FYI, USA foreign policy has been hated by half the planet for the past 70 years, due to all the military involvements. Which are hardly Trump's fault. Neocon/neolib politics have turned USA into a feared bully way before. Coincidentaly the same neocon/neolib politicians (eg. Bush mafia dynasty & Clinton crime syndicate) hate Trump. Hmmm.... When night falls
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" You have to give credit where credit is due. Trump completely destroyed the credibility of the free press. I mean, he used Lugenpressen, 'the lying press', from Goebbel's nazi playbook of propaganda to silence his critics, but it actually worked in a so called 'developed' nation in 2016->2018. People are only just starting to become woke again. And he also justified everything by saying, 'yeaaa, but muh Hillarry and Obamma were worse or did something similar'. You can't justify bad or evil things, with other bad or evil things. Something that is entirely evident to non-partisan viewers, but is shrouded from truth due to partisanship amongst others. "Gee, I wonder how a rival power could benefit from you becoming more divided, isolationist, protectionist, and less economically prosperous, and having warmer relationships with said country politically? I wonder.... " Again, nothing based on facts. Just the appeal to base human emotion, such as fear, like xenophobia. It's a strawman to argue 'infinity migrants', I'm not sure you understand the arguments of this discussion. It's funny that recent migrants in the southern states, like in Florida, cause a drop in crime rates due to having more stable families. THat's called peer reviewed science. What do you have? Oh. Hate slogans from the conservative think tanks. Probably influenced by Russia. |
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