Labs should not be mandatory.

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Orbaal wrote:

Im not a fan of the lab either, but I accepted its here to stay.

GGG wont remove content worth several months of development time, just because some ppl dont like it.
Cry all you want, lab will stay - deal with it.

The way I did it was to create a dedicated lab runner. I did run the goddamn thing for 1-2 days in a row, yapp that happened...
Now I know the trap setups, hidden passages and whatnot. Which means Im able to blast through the lab in no time. Especially when considering the reworked lab, it really is a joke not worth complaining.

To clarify:
I still do not like the lab and probably never will.
But its so easy and quick to do once you know what you are supposed to do, its really not worth all the QQ here.
If you want the ascendancy power, you better learn how to lab as quickly as possible or skip it.

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ProfessorGanymede wrote:

No I won't be learning it or skipping it because skipping it severely handicaps my characters. I play summoner and totem builds. You can't skip ascendancy if you want a good build. I've stopped playing all together. I have too many other gaming options to deal with this aggravation. I shouldn't be forced to eat meat on my plate when I come to a vegetarian restaurant. I"m not asking them to remove it. I'm asking them to give us the OPTION to bypass it like they do with most other features in the game.

If there is a boss that is too hard for our build, or we want to rush to the content we like, I can pay someone to kill Kitava for me. I shouldn't be forced to endure unnecessarily frustrating content when other content has a way to bypass it. I shouldn't be locked out of the chef's best vegetarian meals because I don't want to eat the meat. I should be able to say "I'm sure the meat is good to people that like meat, and I'm not asking you to remove the meat from the menu, but I'm a vegetarian and I came to eat vegetarian. Give the meat to others but I'll be sticking with your vegetarian menu, thank you."

How it works now is like GGG telling me that the chef won't cook me any more vegetarian meals until I eat the meat he cooks. No. I'm a vegetarian. And if the chef is going to be that petty or negligent I'll go to a different restaurant. There are plenty of other who want my money. I play videogames to enjoy myself. I should have the option to bypass unenjoyable content. Especially when the option exists for certain content already. I probably wouldn't play POE ever if I couldn't party up and have someone help me take down hard bosses. Eventually I did the game solo, but having the option is the difference between enjoying myself and unnecessary frustration.

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2. In a restaurant you pay for a service and therefore you are free to pick the menu you like the most
3. PoE is free and therefore you are in no position to ask or demand stuff.

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1. You can buy lab carries, so the option to bypass lab does exist
2. In a restaurant you pay for a service and therefore you are free to pick the menu you like the most
3. PoE is free and therefore you are in no position to ask or demand stuff.
4. You are not willing to adapt, which means death in Wraeclast
5. Make sure to close the door on your way out

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Restaurants offers what's on the menu, PoE is a menu item. If you want something that is not on the menu, tough life.
If I want a steak and restaurant tells me there is broccoli on the side as only option, i would just "give me the meat and keep the green stuff" (jk, i love broccoli :).

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ProfessorGanymede wrote:

I'll probably try doing what someone suggested by playing the game on normal. Don't know how fun that will be for me. Playing hardcore brings an excitment to the game that can't really be replicated by normal. Also I do like playing the hardcore leagues. I just don't want to have to reroll a character because I slipped up on some traps. It's the least satisfying thing of all time. I've never died to traps but I've gotten really close multiple times. Now every time I see a trap I want to break my computer. That's not health for a game that wants me to play it or tell my friends about it.

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In order to unlock the full potential of your characters you need to go through trade. Trade for me is the most tedious, boring, annoying, momentum crushing experience I've had in videogames in a while. Even when I'm not in the lab and thus cannot trade, I have to leave the map, go through potential haggling, people that don't show up and other random crap, it is extremely annoying. It's destroyed my experience of the game. I've practiced getting better at pricing items and doing trades fast, but it doesn't make it any more fun. It is just a drag on an otherwise good game. It's like all the fun screeches to a halt as we are forced to endure this mandatory (in order to achieve full character power, boring, frustrating shit.

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Turtledove wrote:

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ProfessorGanymede wrote:

I'll probably try doing what someone suggested by playing the game on normal. Don't know how fun that will be for me. Playing hardcore brings an excitment to the game that can't really be replicated by normal. Also I do like playing the hardcore leagues. I just don't want to have to reroll a character because I slipped up on some traps. It's the least satisfying thing of all time. I've never died to traps but I've gotten really close multiple times. Now every time I see a trap I want to break my computer. That's not health for a game that wants me to play it or tell my friends about it.

The way it works is that the labyrinth trials must be completed once per league for all characters. So if one is in hardcore or standard it means that the trials only be completed once even when new leagues are started. This means. The new leagues (both hardcore and softcore) will have to redo all the trials because it's a new league. Whereas in hardcore and standard the trials do not have to be redone.

Actually, I think it would be a great improvement if deaths in hardcore labyrinth did not move the character to softcore.

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Turtledove wrote:

Actually, I think it would be a great improvement if deaths in hardcore labyrinth did not move the character to softcore.