3.11 -- Righteous Fire Juggernaut / Chieftain (Outdated and Abandoned)

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FujiPanda wrote:

Question about survivability. I've been playing this game on and off but this is the first time I've ever gotten so far and I'm loving this build.

I know I can do up to T5 maps comfortably as I havent really gone further yet. However I tried a T15 and thought I was okay until I got nuked randomly.

How can I make myself have more survivability?
Lvl 86 Juggernaut (Unflinching, Unrelenting, Unbreakable, Unyielding)
Stats below are when I have 9 endurance charges
6K HP and I use cyclone + fortify
I also use immortal call + molten shell on CWDT
Using searing touch staff instead of onehand+shield, although I feel like my damage drops off a lot if I go back to shield.

Perhaps there's just something I'm not understanding when it comes to defenses?
Once you cap on everything including chaos, what else can you do other than having Evasion and Dodge?

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zheng738 wrote:

we can't see your gear because its locked, juggs don't need immortal call, also as a rf, while fire multi/jewels/burning/fire dmg bumps up your dmg, your 2ndary damage enchance is tied to you hp. most rfs should always have around 8k hp if not more. if your using a staff you have to compensate for the loss of max resistances with gear. u dont need evasion/dodge either, having a little certain helps, but it sounds like in your case you just don't have enough hp to take a hit and instantly regen back to full

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FujiPanda wrote:

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zheng738 wrote:

we can't see your gear because its locked, juggs don't need immortal call, also as a rf, while fire multi/jewels/burning/fire dmg bumps up your dmg, your 2ndary damage enchance is tied to you hp. most rfs should always have around 8k hp if not more. if your using a staff you have to compensate for the loss of max resistances with gear. u dont need evasion/dodge either, having a little certain helps, but it sounds like in your case you just don't have enough hp to take a hit and instantly regen back to full

ah I changed the setting, maybe you can see it now.

Gear wise, I'm using really old gloves, boots and amulet.
I was just worried if I started upping my HP, my regen wouldn't scale up as high too.

If its just a matter of gaining more HP, then how do you compensate with the regen?
When I switched to the 2H staff first, my problem was that the loss of 5% max fire res caused my degen and regen to be nearly equal.

This is what I think I have now.
81% cap fire res
at 6017 HP * .9 = 4873 self dps
4873 * .19 = 925 total self dps
If that's how the math works out I'm only healing about 600HP/s

Thanks for the response, perhaps I need to relook at the recommended gear.

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zheng738 wrote:

there is no easy way to say this, but you need to redo the entire gear and links, regen is the last thing you have to worry about atm

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FujiPanda wrote:

Question about survivability. I've been playing this game on and off but this is the first time I've ever gotten so far and I'm loving this build.

I know I can do up to T5 maps comfortably as I havent really gone further yet. However I tried a T15 and thought I was okay until I got nuked randomly.

How can I make myself have more survivability?
Lvl 86 Juggernaut (Unflinching, Unrelenting, Unbreakable, Unyielding)
Stats below are when I have 9 endurance charges
6K HP and I use cyclone + fortify
I also use immortal call + molten shell on CWDT
Using searing touch staff instead of onehand+shield, although I feel like my damage drops off a lot if I go back to shield.

Perhaps there's just something I'm not understanding when it comes to defenses?
Once you cap on everything including chaos, what else can you do other than having Evasion and Dodge?

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NewArkhadiam wrote:

i saw ur skills tree and gear, and just u probably cant do endgame with that.

- U need improve ur gloves and ur jewells
- U waste so much skill points on dodge-evasion, damgage for ur cyclone and all resist when u must cap them with the gear

So... u need to relog the tree and waste some currency on items. In my opinions, dont like play cyclone with RF becasue both scale completely differently. Just go for flae wall or Scorching ray. Drop the immortal call and use only molthen sell....


This is an example for a build: https://pastebin.com/B5VzBxLA

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FujiPanda wrote:

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NewArkhadiam wrote:

i saw ur skills tree and gear, and just u probably cant do endgame with that.

- U need improve ur gloves and ur jewells
- U waste so much skill points on dodge-evasion, damgage for ur cyclone and all resist when u must cap them with the gear

So... u need to relog the tree and waste some currency on items. In my opinions, dont like play cyclone with RF becasue both scale completely differently. Just go for flae wall or Scorching ray. Drop the immortal call and use only molthen sell....


This is an example for a build: https://pastebin.com/B5VzBxLA

Thanks for the advice.

So if I know that I need to put resistances on gear so I can clear up skill points for my tree. In this case am I still just pouring points into HP?

Am I not to worry about the degen at that point? Because my life regen is based partially off my total life pool.
Also that pastebin isnt working for me.

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NewArkhadiam wrote:

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FujiPanda wrote:

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NewArkhadiam wrote:

i saw ur skills tree and gear, and just u probably cant do endgame with that.

- U need improve ur gloves and ur jewells
- U waste so much skill points on dodge-evasion, damgage for ur cyclone and all resist when u must cap them with the gear

So... u need to relog the tree and waste some currency on items. In my opinions, dont like play cyclone with RF becasue both scale completely differently. Just go for flae wall or Scorching ray. Drop the immortal call and use only molthen sell....


This is an example for a build: https://pastebin.com/B5VzBxLA

Thanks for the advice.

So if I know that I need to put resistances on gear so I can clear up skill points for my tree. In this case am I still just pouring points into HP?

Am I not to worry about the degen at that point? Because my life regen is based partially off my total life pool.
Also that pastebin isnt working for me.

There are many points to consider

- Life: Normally more points are used in inc life than in life regeneration because you get that regeneration from other sources (watchers eye, elder belt, marble amulet, the stone golem or vitality ...). Also, the increase of the maximum life gives you life regen because this is a percentage of the maximum life.


- Resistances: In addition to life, the belt, gloves and boots must have at least 2 resistance mods (Ideally, they should have triple resistance). Also, these mods must have high rolls because using that staff and the kaoms you are losing 2 potential items with which to increase resistances. If you don't reach the cap, use the jewelry for it. Remember that the 9 EC give 36% elemental resist when calculating.


- Cyclone: ​​this ability scales with physical damage and everything that increases it (attack speed, crit chance, crit multi ...), while the RF scales with Fire Dot Mult, Inc DoT dmg, Fire dmg.... With this, you can already intuit that the cyclone is not going to hurt. That's why it doesn't make sense that you spend nodes to increase physical damage, damage with "X" weapons, crit or attack speed .... The most efficient thing is that you use flame wall or SR as a second skill, since they scale with the same things than RF (with a few exceptions). Cyclone is usually recommended because it is a very easy way to apply buffs and debuffs, (Cover in ash, EE, Fortify, Combustion, Curses ---), but in my opinion its not worth.


- Cluster jewels: the use of these jewels is mainly focused on damage, but in exchange many nodes are sacrificed in the passive tree. Therefore, there are two problems:

1) Finding a balance between what is sacrificed to wear the jewelry

2) Get good (expensive) jewelry

I personally don't like them, since I can't sacrifice tree nodes, but if you choose to use them, I'd recommend that you focus on the gear first.


- Think about the build: you have to see what skill you want to use with the RF, if you want to go with several curses, what auras you want to use, if you are going to use warcries ...
In your case, you dont use SR, WoC, or Combustion .... SR and WoC apply Fire Exp that decreases the enemies fire resist. Combustion also decreases it ... both debuffs are better than flammability, becasue curses sucks against bosses,

I don't know ... if you want to use the kaoms and that staff. I would recommend you:


6L Staff: RF - Burning dmg. Conc Effect - Inpiration - Ele focus - Efficacy

4L: SR - Inf chanelling - Burning dmg - faster casting / elemental focus (with the SR you get the Fire Exp and the inf chanelling give u "infusion", which also applies to the RF)

4L: Shield charge / Leap slam - Fortify - Faster attack - Inspiration

4L: Vitality - PoF // OoO / Storm Brand - Inc critical strike chance

When you get a helmet from the elder, you will have 2 more sockets available to put what you want(6L SR, golem, CWDT + MS ...)

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mkdnpna wrote:

What do you guys think about

1. Withering step as a movement/CWDT skill. Extra tankiness due to some dodge, extra movement speed for map clear due to phasing.

2. Medium Thread of Hope in socket near Golem's blood pickng both Disciple of the Unyielding+Slaughter. That gives huge boost to dps (10*8% increased damage, 3*4% more dps while mapping). Only costs 2 extra points.

3. Culling strike as movement skill support instead of faster attacke. Attack speed presumably won't be that bad with q20 gem and Culling Strike somewhat improves boss dps.

4. Flesh and Stone with sand stance to further improve tankiness (maybe better fit for Chieftain to sacrifice some dps by anointing Charisma instead to allow running this aura)