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diablofdb wrote:


let me ask you this then why the biggest quest reward of the entire game shouldn't be gated behind a slightly hard quest?


I didn't say it shouldn't be "behind a slightly hard quest" there is a pretty big difference between slightly hard, and the absolute toughest boss in the game.

Now I have some ideas, although with 3.0 coming soon and not having enough information about it none of them would be as educated as what GGG could choose.

For example what if beating the act 4,8, and 10 boss without dying or using portals rewarded the first 3 ascendancies? Right now defeating Malachai feels rather lack luster to say the least and a lot of people complain that people just cheese him down. Well if you can kill him without dying (sc) or going back to town for flask refills, then why not get a bonus?

Again with the changes in 3.0 I don't know if that would work, but there is certainly plenty of "slightly hard" to go around without just picking the toughest fight, certainly for the first three ascendancies. And if there was something like beat a boss, move on to next act, or beat that same boss with some other challenge added in, move on and get a optional reward I think it would add the risk = reward to act bosses.
OP here. I just read thru most posts and although i thought i would have made myself clear, i obviously didnt.

Here is the main objection to my points: Lab is too hard for you, get better, prepare more.

This argument totally ignores my reasoning. I actually conceded that i am bad at the lab. I have been bad at many things in PoE, but i got better over time because i enjoyed the game play. I DO NOT ENJOY lab game play. Lab kind game play is NOT the reason that i started investing in this game. If it would be ignorable with some mild consequences (no enchants) that's totally OK for me and i would never do it. But it is not.

Imagine that GGG would create a new system like ascendancy that is character defining. In order to advance in that system you would have to engage in tetris like game play with your character turning the blocks actively as they fall. You do not enjoy tetris like game play, maybe you even hate it. Would you still accept it? I think for some of you the answer is "Yes" because you would deem it as work to be done. Here is the thing: I play casually, my reason for playing is that i enjoy it. If it gets to be a chore, i don't need it anymore. For some of you this is obviously different.
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NoDiscoSisqoOrCalypso wrote:


Yes,it is too much too ask. And no, it´s not a humble request.
Because you personally cannot deal with a certain aspect of the game, which other players might enjoy
you want the devs to change the game according to your wishes.
"But you can keep the lab". Okay but what about the players who feel cheated then ?
The ones who have been sweating in fear, but still completed it and feel rewarded now ?
Or anyone who takes pride in the fact that they are able to run the lab themselves.
Those accomplishments would be tarnished and senseless, because you could get the same rewards
for no risk.


I have a humble request to ask of you. Have you really done everything you can to prepare yourself for lab ? Did you make sure that you had a Chemist Basalt Flask with a 25% reduced charges use ?
Did you make sure that you have physical mitigation ? Did you visit the extraordinarily helpful
site POElab, a homepage made by dedicated lab runners who put the entire Lablayout online
a couple of minutes after the Lab resets in the middle of the fucking night ?
I have this one humble request to make. Please change your own approach, before you want to change
the game as a whole. Ask yourself what your request would mean for the silent majority of players
who enjoy the lab. And ultimately, even though my words may seem harsh, ask yourself if you would really be happy with a safe, boring, long grind that gives you the ascendancy you want.
Everybody does lab. Are you really that much worse than the rest of us ?
If you can do it by yourself you will feel a sense of relief, and pride.
And after you´ve done it a thousand times you will ask yourself, why you were scared back in the day.


There are a LOT of people that do not enjoy the lab, and probably even more that could care less if it went away.

What is primarily being proposed that it truly be something secondary to the game and not part of a core mechanic of a character build, which, even the devs have admitted, is the case.

That way, you enjoy the lab? Go do the lab. Do it all day long. Just take the ascension out of it so that everyone else is forced to endure this pet mechanic.

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NoDiscoSisqoOrCalypso wrote:

In short: Git gud.


Yes, because mouse clicking through traps means you got leet skillz... :eyeroll:

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