[3.0 SC/HC] Aixx's indepth HoWA ST Raider Guide ♣ [ Shaper | Guardians | U. Atziri ]

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jjbear9148 wrote:

I am in the same ball park as Hubrisz4. my tooltip damage is at 22k unbuffed, tops off at 50k with charges and buffs. It is getting hard to push past that.

Blre provided some useful insight that was missing from the orignal guide. Most of his feedback applies to my char too. But i have a few questions.
- What is the difference in damage when you have 1 HOWA vs 2 HOWA? Trying to decide if that damage increase justifies losing the ES from shield.
- Never tried using damage on full life. Been running a 2g-1r-3b setup with ST-GMP-WED-ELE FOCUS-Added Lightning. Swapping out added lightning for damage on full life will probably add damage, but will cost me quite a few chroms
- How much Int do you have with 2x HOWA? what about 1xHOWA?
- what is the idea behind Shaper's gloves? Seems like only thing you get is a ton of accuracy, but no INT, and no AS. Is that worth it?

finally, what tooltip dps are you able to achieve(both with single target and wit GMP)? The screenshot from the guide is from pre-3.0, and suspect it will be hard to achieve that after the howa nerf.

Thanks!

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Blre wrote:

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jjbear9148 wrote:

I am in the same ball park as Hubrisz4. my tooltip damage is at 22k unbuffed, tops off at 50k with charges and buffs. It is getting hard to push past that.

Blre provided some useful insight that was missing from the orignal guide. Most of his feedback applies to my char too. But i have a few questions.
- What is the difference in damage when you have 1 HOWA vs 2 HOWA? Trying to decide if that damage increase justifies losing the ES from shield.
- Never tried using damage on full life. Been running a 2g-1r-3b setup with ST-GMP-WED-ELE FOCUS-Added Lightning. Swapping out added lightning for damage on full life will probably add damage, but will cost me quite a few chroms
- How much Int do you have with 2x HOWA? what about 1xHOWA?
- what is the idea behind Shaper's gloves? Seems like only thing you get is a ton of accuracy, but no INT, and no AS. Is that worth it?

finally, what tooltip dps are you able to achieve(both with single target and wit GMP)? The screenshot from the guide is from pre-3.0, and suspect it will be hard to achieve that after the howa nerf.

Thanks!

Hey I can provide some info now, but won't be able to give specific details until tomorroww when I can play. Firstly the idea behind Shapers touch is to cap Acc which gives a big dps boost and also give nice evasion. With a Jade flask this can be VERY strong and makes up for the lack of Vaal Pact this patch. I tested regular gloves with int and atk speed in path of building and even with maxed rolls it doesn't even come close to shapers touch unless you have capped accuracy already but that would require insane items as you would be giving up stats on other items to get the accuracy. With 2x HOWA I have 1300 int with okish gear can probably get around 1.6k maybe more with better gear. I'm not 100% sure how the %int works but I would guess i'd have around 1140 without the second HOWA which is not only a dps loss but an ES loss therefore making it not that much different from a shield. Also you lose the dps from the %dex. Added lightning for Damage on full life makes me lose 20% dps so I think that it's worth to chrome for the upgrade. I'm not sure about tooltip dps (I can check tomorrow) but I have around 600k dps to Shaper and have killed all guardians with ease. Trash dies instantly and can kill t13 shore boss and stand bosses without Slower Proj in couple seconds. Hope this helps feel free to ask more questions and if you want I can check your char if you set your profile to public.

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Blre wrote:

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jjbear9148 wrote:

I am in the same ball park as Hubrisz4. my tooltip damage is at 22k unbuffed, tops off at 50k with charges and buffs. It is getting hard to push past that.

Blre provided some useful insight that was missing from the orignal guide. Most of his feedback applies to my char too. But i have a few questions.
- What is the difference in damage when you have 1 HOWA vs 2 HOWA? Trying to decide if that damage increase justifies losing the ES from shield.
- Never tried using damage on full life. Been running a 2g-1r-3b setup with ST-GMP-WED-ELE FOCUS-Added Lightning. Swapping out added lightning for damage on full life will probably add damage, but will cost me quite a few chroms
- How much Int do you have with 2x HOWA? what about 1xHOWA?
- what is the idea behind Shaper's gloves? Seems like only thing you get is a ton of accuracy, but no INT, and no AS. Is that worth it?

finally, what tooltip dps are you able to achieve(both with single target and wit GMP)? The screenshot from the guide is from pre-3.0, and suspect it will be hard to achieve that after the howa nerf.

Thanks!

Hey I can provide some info now, but won't be able to give specific details until tomorroww when I can play. Firstly the idea behind Shapers touch is to cap Acc which gives a big dps boost and also give nice evasion. With a Jade flask this can be VERY strong and makes up for the lack of Vaal Pact this patch. I tested regular gloves with int and atk speed in path of building and even with maxed rolls it doesn't even come close to shapers touch unless you have capped accuracy already but that would require insane items as you would be giving up stats on other items to get the accuracy. With 2x HOWA I have 1300 int with okish gear can probably get around 1.6k maybe more with better gear. I'm not 100% sure how the %int works but I would guess i'd have around 1140 without the second HOWA which is not only a dps loss but an ES loss therefore making it not that much different from a shield. Also you lose the dps from the %dex. Added lightning for Damage on full life makes me lose 20% dps so I think that it's worth to chrome for the upgrade. I'm not sure about tooltip dps (I can check tomorrow) but I have around 600k dps to Shaper and have killed all guardians with ease. Trash dies instantly and can kill t13 shore boss and stand bosses without Slower Proj in couple seconds. Hope this helps feel free to ask more questions and if you want I can check your char if you set your profile to public.

Can you provide your path of building link?

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jjbear9148 wrote:

@Blre Tried out some of your suggestions yesterday, made a big difference.
Started at 19k unbuffed dps. Swapped DMG on Full Life for Added Lit DMG. Crafted myself a new Helm with 40% ST Enchant. Pushed my unbuffed (tooltip) dps to 25k. With aura at 30k. True DPS on path of building shows 100k. Although this made a huge difference, it is still far from your 600k DPS, i really dont know how you achieved that, will look at your path of building to study your build.

On path of building, it shows that using 2x HOWA instead of 1x HOWA + shield will give me +20% dmg, but much harder to cap resist, and lose 500 ES. And if i am also gona swap in Shaper's Touch, i lose more resist there too, making it VERY hard to cap resist. This setup probably will push your DPS the highest, but also restrict your other gear selection because they will need amazing resist rolls.

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Hubrisz4 wrote:

Hey Blur, what are your feelings about energy from within instead of the witch ES cluster with +lightning res. Seems like it's similar value and saves three points. I am at 7k with this and close to lvl90, so I agree with your plan to not stack ES and rather just spec around based on content. At this point with Vinktars the damage is insane and survivability is more than enough for most map farming. It gets a little dicey on red map bosses.