Ascendency points and Oriath (aka remove Labyrinth mandatoriness)

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Aynix wrote:

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Riborg wrote:

I always overlevel and cheese it. Get lvl 65-ish and do normal and cruel lab. Mercyless lab around 70-80-ish if I really need it, or get carried. I have a couple lvl 80+ toons, and a lvl 90, on HC. Have never done uberlab as the trials are just pure torture. Some trials are impossible to do due to the build. You can have the tankiest minions possible but they WILL die to the bleed-totem trap thing. If that was your DPS spectres you are fucked. Got a slow tank-esque character? Too bad, you wont make it, too slow. Got a tanky high-life toon? Now you are at disadvantage as instant flasks only fill 20% of your life, aka 0.1 seconds worth of trap damage. The trap i hate the most are the spikes coming up from the ground. Other traps you can mostly bypass with lightningwarp but not these. OK for normal lab when you can cheese the mobs, but then in uber trials you get the temp chains totems, bleed totems and some proper mobs to kill, while trying to reach the end of a never ending passage covered with timed spikes. Its just a pure sadistic self-torturing experience.

If the majority of the game was like this I would certainly never play it. No matter what your build is your character will be inferior if you skip this so its pretty much mandatory as content is balanced around you having the points.

So I might try to make a lab-character with super high regen%, flask nodes, not too much life, and good movement speed. Do the labs and then spend a shitload of currency to respec into something I enjoy playing. Or not lol. WTB "minion bleed avoidance support gem".

When I read something like that I am asking myself if that person rly seen lab trials/uber lab. You need 1 movement skill (lighting warp/shield charge/blink arrow/whirling blades) and you can do almost ALL of those trials in 2-3 min. (only one which will take you longer is burning rage). You just need to know how to do it. Great tip for you, and for all other whinners. Do you see totems? STAY ON THE DAMN TOTEM. Traps can't be in place of totem, so if you kill totem - you have place to stay before rushing next traps.
I will post here my video later, on which I literally walk through traps without single potion used on my charatcer with 400!! life regen. (impossible right? everyone know that you need all life regen nodes possible and like 3k/s life regen)

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Tin_Foil_Hat wrote:

People apparently are soo ADD they dont even have the attention span to pay attention to a trap pattern and avoid it entirely with movement skills or just regular running. You can post all the videos showing how easy it is and yet theyll still try to argue instead of bettering themselves.

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Wilmots wrote:

Lab is fantastic, because its challenging. This is an issue for some players. So.

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Xeledon2132 wrote:

Hi,

you might want to try what I did this league - play PoE if you want to, just don't do the Lab.
While you do give up some power and theorycrafting fun, the game is still a blast to play without APs.

In fact that's one point I have to cede to the Lab defenders. It really is optional for me.

I still hope they'll some day provide another way to get APs - but until then just playing without them will do for me. I also hope that people making it to maps while refusing to ascend shows up in some statistic GGG looks at and get them sinking.

So come join my non-agressive resistance! ;)

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Tin_Foil_Hat wrote:

Regarding a), you can avoid most traps by just being careful and timing it right, but there's always that one spot that can only be beaten by mashing flasks and charging through. You know, tight hallways with 2 spinning pillars and a slow totem in the middle, a few dozen crisscrossing poison arrows and a bunch of saws, etc.

As for b), the movement options in the game simply aren't precise enough for a game mode that requires you to dance around hitboxes with perfect accuracy. The only ones that kinda work are Lightning Warp and Blink Arrow, both of which aren't easily accessible for every build.

The lab is fine and I like that they took the risk to fundamentally change the formula for at least that zone, but the fact remains that I'm never glad, like I am with masters, when I find a trial in a map. It's always "ugh, now I gotta do this". And that's really not a great feeling.