[2.6] LL Ele Wander Raider ~ Insane clear speed/Shaper/Guardians - 225k Barrage tooltip

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Nephalim wrote:

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samthedigital wrote:

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until then you are wrong

It's possible to be right without having evidence, but that's besides the point anyway.

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Please show us a faster build than this that is not wand or bow.

Read what I said about Shield Charge earlier. It's a fact that you can't move as fast as Shield Charge can. It just takes a skill that can kill with enough AOE. Blade Flurry is an example of one, but Reave is probably better. Do a little research on your own; I don't care if you believe me or not. Shield charge being infinitely faster than walking* should be enough.

*Lab farmers walk, but sacrifice dps etc for it and shield charge is bad for lab, not gonna get into it though.

Statements totally void of evidence using the the "just because I don't have evidence does not mean it does not exist" clause. Are we talking about clear speed anymore?

Let me make another totally baseless statement void of evidence. Heavy strike hierophant is the fastest clear in the game? Don't believe me? Too bad, I have no evidence but that does not mean it does not exist.

you understand shield charge and discharge have finite radius and are not projectiles right? You understand there is more to clear speed than how fast you can get from point A to point B right? You understand area of effect and range of skills matters too right? No of course not, shield charge > your evidence in the form of a video.

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samthedigital wrote:

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Statements totally void of evidence using the the "just because I don't have evidence does not mean it does not exist" clause. Are we talking about clear speed anymore?

"but that's besides the point anyway" =P

I could go on, but it doesn't really matter.

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you understand shield charge and discharge have finite radius and are not projectiles right? You understand there is more to clear speed than how fast you can get from point A to point B right? You understand area of effect and range of skills matters too right? No of course not, shield charge > your evidence in the form of a video.

I am talking about Shield Charge specifically as a movement skill, not as an attacking skill. There are many skills (Reave and Blade Flurry are examples) that can clear the screen as effectively as Kinetic Blast. In any case though show me a clear speed video without headhunter. That will be a more effective baseline as it makes the clear much more random from one video to another. I need to go though, so I'll respond later, and your video still isn't really evidence of anything except that you can clear in 56 seconds >_>;.

In any case it's not hard to imagine blade flurry or reave one shotting the screen. That's what Kinetic Blast does, but it doesn't have good movement options.

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I don't think you understand how this works. We are looking for the fastest T16 clear. Not fastest T16 clear without head hunter, not fastest T16 clear without skyforth, not fastest T16 clear in X budget.

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Upon inspection it looks like you are no stranger to wand builds or head hunter!

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InAshesTheyShallReap wrote:

so many posts

what is the fastest build in clearing a T16 map double reflect?

in the current state of the game, every build oneshot everything, there is almost no difference in clear speed between builds, most of the speed difference comes from the ascendancy class ( raider or pathfinder for example ), and by movement skills.

the debate about this will never have an end.

a very fast build that can't do a reflect map is a fail to me, i hate to waste currency rerolling reflect maps, all the builds i have ever played were able to do all kind of map mods and combos.

so the fastest build should be able to do reflect maps without legacy vinktar, else it's not a very efficient build.

i can do ele reflect maps with my 100% elemental conversion signal shot build, i have 93% fire res using

and 83% max res

but i could change phys to light to crit strike and signal fire to a rare +1quiver and do a 20%reflect -20% res map if it did exist

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InAshesTheyShallReap wrote:

so many posts

what is the fastest build in clearing a T16 map double reflect?

in the current state of the game, every build oneshot everything, there is almost no difference in clear speed between builds, most of the speed difference comes from the ascendancy class ( raider or pathfinder for example ), and by movement skills.

the debate about this will never have an end.

a very fast build that can't do a reflect map is a fail to me, i hate to waste currency rerolling reflect maps, all the builds i have ever played were able to do all kind of map mods and combos.

so the fastest build should be able to do reflect maps without legacy vinktar, else it's not a very efficient build.

i can do ele reflect maps with my 100% elemental conversion signal shot build, i have 93% fire res using

and 83% max res

but i could change phys to light to crit strike and signal fire to a rare +1quiver and do a 20%reflect -20% res map if it did exist

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"a very fast build that can't do a reflect map is a fail to me"

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watson1337 wrote:

Gents,

Thank you very much for popularization of wand builds.
I have played in Breach with build very similar with topic starter but for inquisitor.
I would like to say - that my gear was even cheaper in comparison with OP man, but it was fastest lvl 92 I was has.
Mandatory - 6l shav + crown. I have got around 70 spell dmg shield with 400es, ele wand with 10+ crit, edps was around 250, dosent have skyforth.
Around 5 jewels with double spell damage like: spell damage/ spell damage while holding the shield. Boots with stun avoidance on kill. around 8k es.

It was actually really fastest way till lvl 92. After I rerolled - bored. But I would like to say thanks to topic starter for ele wand idea.

I have sold my foe bite on standard.
Now I have 2 spell wands for that build to try some modifications.
I have played in essence with discharge/cospri/voll devo. I am not the fastest player - but I whould say this build amazing with average gear to level even till t13.

Not league starter - but solid average build to exping.

Just for example for ele wands:

or

really can work.

Thanks to all wanders.