[2.6] LL Ele Wander Raider ~ Insane clear speed/Shaper/Guardians - 225k Barrage tooltip

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philophil wrote:

lol ill help u u won't find anything

I don't think I should have to repeat myself, but not being able to use Shield Charge is a huge disadvantage to clear speed. It's impossible for a wander to have the fastest clear speed because of this fact alone. It's also not perfect mechanically because it doesn't kill while moving. I don't need to find anything because you can't dispute this.

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samthedigital wrote:

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philophil wrote:

lol ill help u u won't find anything

I don't think I should have to repeat myself, but not being able to use Shield Charge is a huge disadvantage to clear speed. It's impossible for a wander to have the fastest clear speed because of this fact alone. It's also not perfect mechanically because it doesn't kill while moving. I don't need to find anything because you can't dispute this.

I think you've been repeated missing the point over and over. Wands and bows have the fastest T16 clear speeds in the game. Can you refute this?

The example you posted is utterly absurd. There were likely hundreds of mobs left on that map. He never once did /remaining or hit tab to display monsters remaining.

Give me a real video with the map mods and monster count revealed and If I can not top the speed listed, then I will submit that wands and bows are slower than cospri on T11 maps.

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I would be hard pressed to find a good T16 clear speed video right now. I'd need to find someone doing some sort of Assassin or Pathfinder Blade Flurry build, but I am not sure if anyone is doing this sort of thing on standard right now. That's to compete with the 56 second video with headhunter that is. Your run is fairly comparable to some things I could find pretty easily, but that wouldn't really prove my point.

Err to be sure though, running is not as fast as shield charging, so I don't really need to prove much anyway >_>;;.

Are you for reals? You can not find someone doing a blade flurry build in a T16 map in a the meta where BF is more popular than ever?

This is not a discussion about gear cost or HH it is about absolute clear speed. Please do not straw man.

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If you want to believe getting mass shaped strands is any easier than getting T16's after factoring in the fact a T16 map can drop a T16 map while a strand drops T12/T13, then that is your choice or that strands are more profitable or efficient than T16's then that's your perception.

If you shape your atlas properly you only get strands as your t12 (and t13) drops if you choose, and it's possible to get 45m exp per hour at level 99 compared to your 22m at 98.

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I think you've been repeated missing the point over and over. Wands and bows have the fastest T16 clear speeds in the game. Can you refute this?

It's a statement without evidence.

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Are you for reals? You can not find someone doing a blade flurry build in a T16 map in a the meta where BF is more popular than ever?

You say this without knowing how to set up your atlast properly dude >_>;;. I don't want to spend effort trying to argue with you because you clearly won't read what I've said. Read my last reply to philo.

well evidence has been posted actually, such as that phoenix run

if you can post a video with the builds that you mentioned, with a faster t16 clear than that phoenix run, you will be correct, until then you are wrong and then people saying wanders clear t16s the fastest are right. simple as that.

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It's a statement without evidence.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kXmzBxIum4I
Please show us a faster build than this that is not wand or bow.

Unsure what more evidence you need. You lack any evidence to the contrary and say my statement, with evidence lacks evidence? What?

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If you shape your atlas properly you only get strands as your t12 (and t13) drops if you choose, and it's possible to get 45m exp per hour at level 99 compared to your 22m at 98.

I will submit mass strands is potentially more exp/hour than T16's if these are true numbers.

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You say this without knowing how to set up your atlast properly dude >_>;;. I don't want to spend effort trying to argue with you because you clearly won't read what I've said. Read my last reply to philo.

Aggressive deflection. What does my atlas have to do with being able to find a T16 blade flurry video?

Also I wasnt kidding about howander being insanely good. Similar if not higher damage compared to philophil's (though his is very good too ofc) with an anti-boss flask setup (swap mana and MS flasks for diamomd and kiaras/onslaught flask), and ~9k es to boot. Really fun setup, WB is nice for quick dodges and such too.

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until then you are wrong

It's possible to be right without having evidence, but that's besides the point anyway.

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Please show us a faster build than this that is not wand or bow.

Read what I said about Shield Charge earlier. It's a fact that you can't move as fast as Shield Charge can. It just takes a skill that can kill with enough AOE. Blade Flurry is an example of one, but Reave is probably better. Do a little research on your own; I don't care if you believe me or not. Shield charge being infinitely faster than walking* should be enough.

*Lab farmers walk, but sacrifice dps etc for it and shield charge is bad for lab, not gonna get into it though.

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philophil wrote:

Dunno pls link me any t16 done faster that is not a VRF gamble ignite

Shaper of desolation gives me 100% ignite chance for VRF on my new discharger :P

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samthedigital wrote:

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until then you are wrong

It's possible to be right without having evidence, but that's besides the point anyway.

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Please show us a faster build than this that is not wand or bow.

Read what I said about Shield Charge earlier. It's a fact that you can't move as fast as Shield Charge can. It just takes a skill that can kill with enough AOE. Blade Flurry is an example of one, but Reave is probably better. Do a little research on your own; I don't care if you believe me or not. Shield charge being infinitely faster than walking* should be enough.

*Lab farmers walk, but sacrifice dps etc for it and shield charge is bad for lab, not gonna get into it though.

Statements totally void of evidence using the the "just because I don't have evidence does not mean it does not exist" clause. Are we talking about clear speed anymore?

Let me make another totally baseless statement void of evidence. Heavy strike hierophant is the fastest clear in the game? Don't believe me? Too bad, I have no evidence but that does not mean it does not exist.

you understand shield charge and discharge have finite radius and are not projectiles right? You understand there is more to clear speed than how fast you can get from point A to point B right? You understand area of effect and range of skills matters too right? No of course not, shield charge > your evidence in the form of a video.

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Statements totally void of evidence using the the "just because I don't have evidence does not mean it does not exist" clause. Are we talking about clear speed anymore?

"but that's besides the point anyway" =P

I could go on, but it doesn't really matter.

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you understand shield charge and discharge have finite radius and are not projectiles right? You understand there is more to clear speed than how fast you can get from point A to point B right? You understand area of effect and range of skills matters too right? No of course not, shield charge > your evidence in the form of a video.

I am talking about Shield Charge specifically as a movement skill, not as an attacking skill. There are many skills (Reave and Blade Flurry are examples) that can clear the screen as effectively as Kinetic Blast. In any case though show me a clear speed video without headhunter. That will be a more effective baseline as it makes the clear much more random from one video to another. I need to go though, so I'll respond later, and your video still isn't really evidence of anything except that you can clear in 56 seconds >_>;.

In any case it's not hard to imagine blade flurry or reave one shotting the screen. That's what Kinetic Blast does, but it doesn't have good movement options.