[2.6] LL Ele Wander Raider ~ Insane clear speed/Shaper/Guardians - 225k Barrage tooltip

Pathfinder was always the best choice for wander especially the better the gear gets.Raider is more of a budget version and it's easier to play since you can afford to skip using flasks w/o getting hurt so much if you have a lazy gameplay.

Now the problem most of you guys have is stemming from the choice to go LL version instead of Ci.If you want to make wander shine while going LL at the same time you really need massive amounts of currency to sink into this(couple of mirrors).

With average wealth you will run into problems since you'll have to sacrifice either dps or survivability.The build already has low Es even when close to maximum potential.So you will get stuck with avg dps and garbage Es levels.

Going LL in a temporary league is gimping yourself unless like i said you know how to amass currency in which case you would/t have problems in the first place.
Ci is much more powerful not mentioning that you get 2 to 3k more Es + complete immunity to chaos(people underestimate the amount of chaos damage in this game).

At really end game, a maxed out LL wander will get around 30-40% more dmg than a Ci version.But reaching that point is pretty much impossible for 99% of players, more so in a temporary league.

Most of the time the Ci wander version will simply be stronger than LL one.

Currently 79 and need some help.

https://www.pathofexile.com/account/view-profile/S0T0/characters/TruelyEthicalRanger

Only have ~350c left to budget however don't know I really should be prioritizing at this point.

In Hideout: Currently 27k dps barrage and 23k kinetic blast with all current buffs up ES sits at 3650.

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boonobosMike wrote:

Pathfinder was always the best choice for wander especially the better the gear gets.Raider is more of a budget version and it's easier to play since you can afford to skip using flasks w/o getting hurt so much if you have a lazy gameplay.

Now the problem most of you guys have is stemming from the choice to go LL version instead of Ci.If you want to make wander shine while going LL at the same time you really need massive amounts of currency to sink into this(couple of mirrors).

With average wealth you will run into problems since you'll have to sacrifice either dps or survivability.The build already has low Es even when close to maximum potential.So you will get stuck with avg dps and garbage Es levels.

Going LL in a temporary league is gimping yourself unless like i said you know how to amass currency in which case you would/t have problems in the first place.
Ci is much more powerful not mentioning that you get 2 to 3k more Es + complete immunity to chaos(people underestimate the amount of chaos damage in this game).

At really end game, a maxed out LL wander will get around 30-40% more dmg than a Ci version.But reaching that point is pretty much impossible for 99% of players, more so in a temporary league.

Most of the time the Ci wander version will simply be stronger than LL one.

Is it possible to change to CI with the gear I already have? - just to change the passive tree? Because Im afraid I will need probably Skyforth's at least for CI build, right?

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mlokos wrote:

Is it possible to change to CI with the gear I already have? - just to change the passive tree? Because Im afraid I will need probably Skyforth's at least for CI build, right?

It is possible but it will require you to get a new Es chest(at least 800 es) and shield(400 Es)with lots of resists at the very least. These 2 items alone will give you 2k more Es than you currently have.The tree remains pretty much the same.

Now i don't know how much currency you have or are willing to spend ( like i said this build really eats a lot of currency).If you are low on money it's better to focus on LL since you are already committed.

Skyforth: it is not necessary to have them but getting them frees soo much space.Having them frees your amulet spot for Choir of the Storm giving you another way to scale damage(more lighting resist=more crit chance). For ex, for your current setup a choir is 14.4% more damage.

You won't need to use Assassin's mark anymore and use another curse like Proj weakness or elemental weakness.No more clunky orb of storms setup for bosses. These boots are simply amazing. Ofc you can do w/o them but they are Bis in the end.Only downside is that you will get even less es but thats the problem with going LL in the first place.

My advice:
If you have the money to get a good Es chest and shield go for it.You also need better rings with T1 Wed and crafted %Es.Skyforth are great but if you can't afford them just use eye of chayula for stun immunity.On guardians eye of chayula may even be better since you have complete stun immunity whereas you can still get mini stunned with Skyforth resulting in a overall loss of dps.

If you don't deem it worth to switch to CI just focus on making your current LL build better.Get better rings like i said with %Es.

I don't know why aren't you using a diamond flask.Get one asap with bleed immunity for a massive dps boost instead of the basalt one.

Replace your Atziri's Promise with an Wise Oak.Better dps and you already lack resistances.As long as you have 100% flask uptime you should be fine.

Use pierce instead of crit multi in your KB setup.Kinetic is not about tooltip.Pierce will be a big improvement in aoe clear speed.

ANd you can do so much more.That's the beauty with this build.You can basically scale it infinitely.

You have to undestand that some builds need a bit of work to make them shine.You can't expect to just throw in some items together and faceroll.That's the reason Howa is so popular cuz it's easy to build and faceroll end game and quite cheap at the same time.

So I did some changes but im not fully happy...
I bought Skyforth boots, ES chest and Shield but my damage is now lower than before. Survivalbility is much better but still - looks like its not that big improvment I have expected...
I have changed some skills (auras, curses) but im not sure I did that correctly. tried to copy you build, boonobosMike but I cannot use Blood Rage gem coz im loosing my ES quite fast and I dont know why my Herald of Ice is not activated by the CoH gem?
So all in all I spend lot of currency for those changes but the result is not that good. What can I improve now without spending more (I know I schould change rings and wand but I cannot afford that now - maybe when I sell Shav chest).

BTW - why you said that I dont need Assasins mark anymore? is it not still good to have it?

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mlokos wrote:

So I did some changes but im not fully happy...
I bought Skyforth boots, ES chest and Shield but my damage is now lower than before. Survivalbility is much better but still - looks like its not that big improvment I have expected...
I have changed some skills (auras, curses) but im not sure I did that correctly. tried to copy you build, boonobosMike but I cannot use Blood Rage gem coz im loosing my ES quite fast and I dont know why my Herald of Ice is not activated by the CoH gem?
So all in all I spend lot of currency for those changes but the result is not that good. What can I improve now without spending more (I know I schould change rings and wand but I cannot afford that now - maybe when I sell Shav chest).

BTW - why you said that I dont need Assasins mark anymore? is it not still good to have it?

You need to redo your gems, too many curses. You don't have additional curses so your enemies can only take one. You definitely don't need assassin's mark because you use it for power charges, which Skyforth takes care of.

Is that weapon craft the best for your build? I would figure that elemental damage with weapons is better.

The damage from skyforth comes from gaining power charges easily so you wont see it in your hideout.

Dump arctic armor. Possibly dump Immortal Call?

The reason the provided skill tree doesn't work as well with CI is that LL provides a LOT of damage auras and we scale those provided damages. Wrath, HoI, HoT, Anger, Haste.

What is your Chance to Hit with barrage? You have no accuracy on any items (rings/gloves) and didn't pick up any good accuracy nodes.

There is probably a different build thread for a CI/Skyforth/Pathfinder variant that might be more help for you.

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mlokos wrote:

So I did some changes but im not fully happy...
I bought Skyforth boots, ES chest and Shield but my damage is now lower than before. Survivalbility is much better but still - looks like its not that big improvment I have expected...
I have changed some skills (auras, curses) but im not sure I did that correctly. tried to copy you build, boonobosMike but I cannot use Blood Rage gem coz im loosing my ES quite fast and I dont know why my Herald of Ice is not activated by the CoH gem?
So all in all I spend lot of currency for those changes but the result is not that good. What can I improve now without spending more (I know I schould change rings and wand but I cannot afford that now - maybe when I sell Shav chest).

BTW - why you said that I dont need Assasins mark anymore? is it not still good to have it?

Ok, first of all my build was made for maximum survivability since i wanted to hit 100 with it. You don't need arctic armour or cast when damage taken>immortal call if you don't care about it.

Auras needed are:
Wrath, herald of thunder and discipline for maximum damage.
Wrath, Herald of ice, discipline which is less damage but you shatter and makes it easier to apply your curse.

You can use only one curse.

So it's between Poacher's Mark and Projectile Weakness since Assassin's mark is useless now that you have skyforth.

If you don't want to use Blood Rage just use Poacher's mark>curse on hit>herald of ice for your frenzy generation for general mapping.

If you want to do end game bossing you have to change that setup for cast when damage taken(lvl 1)>blade vortex(lvl 6) poacher's mark>curse on hit but that's only for guardians/shaper.

If you want to use Proj Weakness just replace Poacher's mark with it.

This setup is much more damage in combination with Blood rage.Be sure to have Blood rage sloted in your wand or shield and when you run out of mobs to leech of off just swap your weapons for a second to stop your Blood rage from killing you. It just takes a bit of practice to get used to.

I am not sure why did you take master herbalist instead of veteran boyer.Change that.Your ele wander not poison.

Also you can get added lightning enchant on boots which is around 16% more dmg on boss only.
10% penetration or 16% + attack speed enchants are decent as well.

You lack accuracy rating like the person above noticed.Get at least 251 on both gloves and 1 ring if possible to be around 90%. Currently you're sitting at 85%.

Other than that it looks fine to me.You can get an avg of 800 more es with %es craft on rings which will bring you close to 9k.

If you want to scale your damage in the most efficient way,best you can do is using path of building.So download that software and play with it if you haven't already.
Here's my link to my build if you want to compare with it, Shaper dps:
https://pastebin.com/SvvKj9Lj

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mlokos wrote:

So I did some changes but im not fully happy...
I bought Skyforth boots, ES chest and Shield but my damage is now lower than before. Survivalbility is much better but still - looks like its not that big improvment I have expected...
I have changed some skills (auras, curses) but im not sure I did that correctly. tried to copy you build, boonobosMike but I cannot use Blood Rage gem coz im loosing my ES quite fast and I dont know why my Herald of Ice is not activated by the CoH gem?
So all in all I spend lot of currency for those changes but the result is not that good. What can I improve now without spending more (I know I schould change rings and wand but I cannot afford that now - maybe when I sell Shav chest).

BTW - why you said that I dont need Assasins mark anymore? is it not still good to have it?

To add to what others have said, you have the wrong version of Vinktar, get the added damage to attacks version.

Ok, Thanks for advice guys. I did some tweaks - is it good now?
I know I have to get better rings and gloves with good res, accuracy and some %ES but they cost a fortune and I have only 8-9 ex now after Skyforth's purchase ;)
Im stuck a bit with wand crafting - dont really figured out what to do next (I have few wands but dont know which one is OK for further crafting (multi mods) - maybe you can advice? - check those below if you can please).
I will try ofc to get the right enchant on my boots ASAP, I have change the Vinktar flask as suggested.
Still have one green gem slot in my boots. What I can put there?



BTW - my Chance to Hit is 85% atm.

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mlokos wrote:

Ok, Thanks for advice guys. I did some tweaks - is it good now?
I know I have to get better rings and gloves with good res, accuracy and some %ES but they cost a fortune and I have only 8-9 ex now after Skyforth's purchase ;)
Im stuck a bit with wand crafting - dont really figured out what to do next (I have few wands but dont know which one is OK for further crafting (multi mods) - maybe you can advice? - check those below if you can please).
I will try ofc to get the right enchant on my boots ASAP, I have change the Vinktar flask as suggested.
Still have one green gem slot in my boots. What I can put there?

BTW - my Chance to Hit is 85% atm.

I wouldn't bother multimoding any of those wands. In fact your wand is quite decent.Just master craft accuracy rating(minimum 125) instead of the % lightning damage and it will give you 2% more dps.

I looked a bit for some wands and even some absurd 60Ex wands will give you around 4% more dmg.Simply not worth it for the moment.You can snipe some good wands if you are patient enough but it will still cost you a minimum of 6 to 10 ex after multi modding them.Just stick with your current one but craft accuracy rating instead of lightning damage for the moment.

You have to use herald of ice in combination with curse on hit and your curse of choice to proc it.So Curse on hit>proj weakness>Herald of ice>enlighten/item rarity it doesn;t really matter for that last spot.

And keep it mind that if you want to go for guardians/Shaper you have to change the curse setup into
cast when damage taken(lvl 1)>Bv(lvl 6)>Curse on hit>proj weakness so you can proc it on them.And you will switch to Wrath/HoT/Disc then but only for end game bosses. For general mapping your current setup is optimal.

You are on the good road now.

One big problem is that the league is pretty much dead especially since the beta came out. You will have a hard time finding good rings.The few decent ones are very pricey now especially since you have a lot of resists on your current ones.One solution is to get another shield with as much resists as you can find which will give you some free room to focus on offensive stats only on your rings. But i wouldn't rush to change them yet.

Generally you'd want to look for either Opal>dimaond>topaz bases with 31%+ Wed with lightning resist and some accuracy(at least 251) if possible + open prefix for Es craft. Even better if you have space to multimod %Es and lightning damage to attacks.

Other than the rings you can get at least 3 more levels for another jewel slot but even so i see no problems in clearing end game content at your current gear level.You should have no problems whatsoever.