[3.17] For Slayer / Champion - Ngamahu Cyclone / Consecrated Path / Tectonic Slam

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_Tiem wrote:

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bipsylalapo wrote:

On this point, what's the ideal uncapped resistance then? Considering I'm going for Taste of Hate + Lion's Roar + Dying Sun, so no Wise Oak to spam for me.

And considering at endgame, most of the DPS comes from Cyclone and not Molten Burst, why is the additional projectile bonus from DS worth 7 ex for us?

Your ideal resistance cap should be 109 (110 for Fire on account of Barbarism). This gives you protection from EW in red maps (>79). You can go higher but you’re protecting yourself from rare and localized events, none of which matter in fights like Elder, Shaper. Both Shaper and Elder both employ cold and neither curse you so overcapping is futile. Running Purity of Ice to get your max up goes an incredibly long way. Stacking resistance above the 75 cap has tremendous returns. That’s of course if you care about EW on a tanky melee build. It’s completely fine to just run 76/75/75.

DS is likely the biggest waste of money in the author’s guide, not even sure why they listed it. 7ex to amplify a skill that brings almost nothing to the table. You’re priorities should be:

Xoph’s
Perfect Ngamahu (everything scales from your weapon, so the better it is, the more exponential gains you’ll see)
6L properly colored Bronn’s
Hysteria rolled Opals
Watcher’s Eye
Helmet enchant
Lion’s Roar

Then all the rest to flesh out the build. But the above will give you Shaper dps and you’ll melt maps. DS isn’t even on the radar. You could get 2 nicely rolled opals that will bring upwards of 20% more consistent damage to everything (Cyclone and MB) for the cost of DS, a flask that’s up periodically.

Also only about half of all MB projectiles actually hit. And given that they have a max range of 20 units, an average estimate of damage scaling through Point Blank only puts them at 1.3x. So even with that node, they don’t generate that much for the build. Go ahead and drop Iron Grip, it’s a waste of a point.

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_Tiem wrote:

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Jevnigeff wrote:

i dont understand :(

436483.2dps with chance to ignite and 429660 with fire pen..

only checked intimidated and flasks what we get vs shaper in dps phase.

So how you get those numbers, im only looking pob dps number and it says chance to ignite wins?

Shaper/Elder/Uber Atziri (and her crew) are all that matter dps wise. No other boss stands long even with a 4L.

Check intimidate and covered in ash. Both those debuffs have nearly 100% up time. The rest are all small windows, especially flasks. Wise Oak amplify’s Chance to Ignite to be marginally higher than Fire Pen. We are talking 1%. The flask doesn’t last long, so for a small window, you are doing marginally more. For the rest of the time, which makes up the vast majority of the fight, you are doing less. Also Wise Oak is a shitty flask. Writhing Jar to proc Headsman (and leech) for that 40% more multi is a way better flask.

Trust, you want to run with Fire Pen. It’s BIS.

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_Tiem wrote:

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kira1414 wrote:

And you know what just occurred to me?

The stats you posted and the one I posted in the screenshot are exactly the same and that gave me the hint that we are talking about two different things here.

You are talking about fire penetration and extra damage to the build as a whole.

I am talking about Watcher's Eye.

LOL, ya. I also fixed the typo, good catch. But yes, dropping Fortify for Fire Pen on your Bronn's gives you way more dps. You can link Fortify on Leap Slam that's more than enough to get the buff up. It obviously comes down to skill at that point, but it's definitely worth the trade off for the insane boost to damage.

But yeah, the added fire variant of WE is better than the fire pen version, hands down.