[3.4] LL Classic Summoner - Shaper/Elder/Guardian Farmer

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Alerie91 wrote:

Try to use projectile weakness, i use it as curse.

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Najrah wrote:

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Alerie91 wrote:

Try to use projectile weakness, i use it as curse.

As appealing as it may be, it makes me give up on enfeeble, which is why I'd rather have pierce than faster projectiles. However it's always a matter of preference, since the build offered by xxWolf (thanks again) allows so many variants.

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Najrah wrote:

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xxWolf wrote:

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atmosphere01 wrote:

What is the reasoning behind running Faster Proj for map clear instead of pierce? To me it seems like the latter would be more beneficial for just mowing down groups of mobs.

Faster Proj makes your spectres not shoot twice at packs the first cast already oneshots anyway. in order for pierce to be more valuable than faster proj there would have to be at least 5 monsters in a perfect line (assuming 2 spectres shoot at the pack and most of the time even more of them aim at it), which is rarely the case.

without faster proj clearing sometimes looks like this:
Spectres shoot 2 waves at pack (spell echo) - Spectres shoot again before first 2 waves arrive - first 2 waves arrive and obliterate pack - 2nd wave arrives and finds nothing.

with faster proj you'll often notice the following:
Spectres shoot 2 waves at pack (spell echo) - the 2 waves arrive and destroy the pack - spectrers select new target(s) and repeat.


that's why i prefer faster proj for clearing, ofc you can go with pierce instead and will still melt every pack, but in my experience faster proj makes it more efficient.


Also in case you use flame sentinels pierce will prevent your spectre's projectiles from forking.

The main advantage I see with pierce is against vaal totem aura (and rare monsters with same aura). Sometimes it's a bit of a pain to deal with them, relatively speaking of course.

As for enchants, wouldn't "of light" (consecrated ground) be nice with Zealot's Oath?

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Alerie91 wrote:

If you want some Shield Regen, just replace a flask with The Sorrow of the Divine. Dont take ZO, it is a waste.

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xxWolf wrote:

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Alerie91 wrote:

If you want some Shield Regen, just replace a flask with The Sorrow of the Divine. Dont take ZO, it is a waste.

As always everyone can do whatever they want, but i strongly advise not to drop any flask in order to get Sorrow of the Divine - That would be a waste. What would you drop for it? A res flask that grants you a ton of max res, while max res gets more and more efficient the more you stack? the quicksilver that grants crazy clearspeed and ability to dodge things like shaper slam? basalt flask that got nerfed and is still arguably the most broken non-unique flask in the game? additionally you would loose a utillity mod. no. If you wanted that regen just pick up ZO for 1 node on the tree.

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TigerJazz wrote:

Its my first time using a summoner build, and i'm enjoying it! But i have a question: you said we use 2 curses, one is enfeeble, which is the other one?
EDIT: And what about using Soul of Arakaali instead? (because of the ES rec. rate)

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Schizo87 wrote:

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TigerJazz wrote:

Its my first time using a summoner build, and i'm enjoying it! But i have a question: you said we use 2 curses, one is enfeeble, which is the other one?
EDIT: And what about using Soul of Arakaali instead? (because of the ES rec. rate)

I believe the second curse is lvl 10 elemental weakness by corrupting your midnight bargain