[3.3] LL CI Crit Freezing Pulse by Paige | Shatter Everything! | LL + CI Shenanigans | Off Meta
" /sigh Maybe if you spent actual time reading instead of typing non sense you'd have read that the 4M DPS is from using dual rare wands, and its effective DPS, not tooltip. I can "slap" on 3.0 whatever I want considering I leveled with this build and started with it in Harbinger league, and so are many many others. The older versions are around because people still use the base concept of them and run with them in standard league or whatever, no they aren't updated, because I'm constantly trying new things, not old versions I ran in 2.4, however the main build is updated for 3.0. People have been posting 1000+ Ex builds for many years now, if you spent time playing back then, you'd know this, instead of raging on a build thread you're coming to for advice on your build. I built the items around what I had access to, at the time Void Batteries were the best compared to what rare wands were out, after testing about 30~ more builds this league I came to the conclusion Belly is overpriced, Acuity's are not worth it in most cases, and nowadays, this late in the league, you will have better luck using rare wands instead of Void Batteries, it was temporary, also MoM is more of a problem than it is a solution to defensive issues. I didn't get around to updating this thread because I had already respecced and was trying a bunch of other builds, and also maintaining 6+ build threads for 3.0 already. I don't care about your personal insults and general angst towards the community, take that filth elsewhere. Ice Bite is the strongest raw DPS gem available to us (yes, Frenzy charges are that strong), only assuming you take the Frenzy Charge by Shadow start. In terms of map clearing it's the best, it got buffed in 3.0. For particular bosses where you aren't killing adds, I switch it out for Added Cold, thankfully though pretty much every boss has an add phase to help support flask charges and what not. Hypothermia is not a good gem, period. Inc Crit Damage is excellent and so is Crit Strikes (not sure where your assumptions are coming from, possibly from PoB, which isn't accurate in the grand scheme of things, this would also make sense why you're calling Ice Bite bad.. forgetting to turn on Frenzy Charges). Freezing Pulse has a very high mana cost as is, we already take Spell Echo, we generate Frenzy Charges, and we're using MoM, this drains mana insanely quick, which is why I don't use Faster Casting, not to mention the fact it's just less DPS compared to other options. (Generally it's considered a waste to link Echo & Faster Casting, it's one or the other). Controlled Destruction did not beat out Crit Strikes or Damage or Ice Bite in any of the testing I did. Spend more time testing, learning & improving. Because almost everything you wrote here is false information and makes you look rather silly. Before I quit playing this league (which is why this thread hasn't been updated because it'll take a good 25+ hours to do) I tested out a few different versions of FP Witch to see what I could improve upon here. ---- This is the build I've been meaning to update this thread into, when/if I come back to the game, it's on my to-do list to fully break down every detail and rewrite this guide to support this build, but for now, this is all I got. Pledge of Hands FP felt really really good, so did dropping MoM. Since Elementalist is not required to survive reflect anymore, that opens up different ascendancy choices for us, I made use of Necro & Bone/Flesh Offering linked on Kitava's Thirst for an almost 100% uptime without having to self cast and watch buffs. I ran Void Bringers for the nice crit and also the mana cost so Kitava's Thirst would proc, Perfect Form is my favorite defensive option in terms of body armor after lots of testing. Mutewind's are excellent, and cheap, and Pandemonious is great unless you have a GG rare amulet. PoB Link: https://pastebin.com/hTjd5wLM ---- Another version I was playing around with was using the Thirst for Horrors shield for pretty much capped leech vs bosses which is a problem playing Witch FP runs into. Other than that, same idea as above. It's possible if you move sockets around to be able to switch out the shield for a second weapon for map clearing and then back to shield for the EZ leech vs bosses, but I never got that far into it. PoB Link: https://pastebin.com/BE5xUFWr ---- Do with those what you will, think outside of the box and make stuff work. “No matter where you are in life, no matter what you’ve contributed to creating, no matter what’s happening, you are always doing the best you can with the understanding and awareness and knowledge that you have.” www.twitch.tv/ohhpaigey Last edited by OhhPaigey#4471 on Oct 9, 2017, 5:48:10 PM
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" Lol, but it is. You just dont like to use Diamond flask and dont see it because of that.
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Jesus... "crit build" without diamond flask... Facepalm. No offence, but really...
Hypotermia is ok too (but i will not swap Ice bite for Hypotermia anyway). With other points i totally agree. To argue with a fool means to sink to his level.
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Hi,
my friend is using the budget life version and has MAJOR issues With survivability (horribly sloW, inconsistent life leech) and also lackluster DPS (311k shaper). I remember my KB/barrage build had like 800k When it Was still budget. Please, someone point out any corrections to help my friend. WOuld be highly appreciated. https://pastebin.com/VNScuUXE Last edited by DonQuixotic#4291 on Oct 9, 2017, 6:33:54 PM
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" I wasn't running a Diamond Flask in this build because I was already already crit chance capped via charges. “No matter where you are in life, no matter what you’ve contributed to creating, no matter what’s happening, you are always doing the best you can with the understanding and awareness and knowledge that you have.”
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Yes, i know. And you can drop ICC, get Controlled destruction, take Diamond flask and enjoy 28% more dmg.
Flasks not essential here (i mean: you can easily swap em). It is not MoonFlurry build, where you need to stack extra dmg from all possible flasks (and it still uses Diamond). Also: i tried MoM on my Blade Vortex pathfinder. It is pretty good if you can leech mana (thanks God, warlord's mark allows that), but it will not save you without additional defences. My pth has 3600hp and 600 unreserved mana. It is the most living build i ever played. On the other hand: i have slayer with 5200 hp (Kaom and so on...) And it dies like a crazy. Because pth has 110k evasion and slayer has 3k. To argue with a fool means to sink to his level.
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Your post is WAYYYYY overly defensive. Generally, that means I hit a nerve somewhere. But let's not go down that road. Moving on...
" I'm aware the ~200k DPS is tooltip DPS. But isn't it you that didn't read my post? You would need an effective "2,000% More" damage modifier to make ~200k DPS become ~4m DPS. So what, exactly, is it in your build that the tooltip isn't accounting for that ends up as effective as 2,000% More damage? I'll wait for your answer. The rest of your post seems to be a bunch of flurried snippets at me to try to "insult me back," even though I didn't really feel like I insulted you in the first place. But I'll try to address it in sections, or else it would be hard to allocate my responses properly... " I'm aware people have been posting highly-expensive builds for years. But alas, here I am. Right now. In this thread. A lot of things contribute to this fact. Butterfly effect, etc. I am an on-and-off PoE player. You seem to be trying to use this as an insult to me. Not sure why. But if I wanted to, I could easily turn around your humblebrag about "all the builds you maintain" with a simple comment of, "don't bite off more than you can chew." " I didn't really read the "leveling" section because that does not pertain to me. But - and correct me if I'm wrong - didn't your leveling portion say to level with Firestorm? Maybe I'm wrong here, but I feel like that loses whatever credibility you were just now trying to use it for, considering this is a Freezing Pulse build. You can't really be like, "yeah well I'm great, just look at how many people are leveling with my build!" *camera pans over to a bunch of lowbies casting Firestorms on zombies* " Ice Bite??? Because, what, Frenzy charges??? So how are you gaining these Frenzy charges for bosses??? Nobody cares about having the highest-possible trash-clearing DPS. So what's Ice Bite doing for you in regards to boss fights??? 69-103 cold damage, and some freeze chance? Am I missing something here? " I don't use PoB. I manually do my own math. But I've been meaning to download PoB and compare it to my math to make sure PoB is accurate... But that's beside the point. What do you even mean, Hypothermia is not a good gem? Are you joking me right now? 39% More damage. Maybe math isn't your forte - let me explain this to you. Now... I looked, but I'm not seeing what your current Crit Damage Mult is at. I'll assume uhhh... 480% because it's probably about that much. Crit Damage gem is giving you... we're gonna just say +100% Mult for easy math. WITHOUT the gem, you have 380% Mult in this scenario. Crit Damage Gem is giving you 26% More damage assuming you had 100% crit chance. Hypothermia would give you 39% More damage, as advertised. Always. Regardless of all stats. The lower your Crit Chance is from 100%, the less damage it's going to give you from my "26% More" threshold. The higher your Crit Mult is, the less it'll give you as well. The only way Crit Damage gem gives you more than Hypothermia is if you have... 279% Crit Mult without Crit Damage gem. If you have more than that, Hypothermia is better. Again, assuming 100% crit chance, which - spoiler - you don't have. " I'm a believer that MoM is only good with Acuity. Without Acuity, I find there's no way to keep your mana up. " I'm quite certain this is not the case. But I'll just say my part & you say yours. Let's not pretend to dictate how we look to others. |
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" Just checked my version with perfect jewels, jewelry and wands (ok, almost perfect wands, cause some very smart man decided, that nobody wants to use cast speed implicit), with hypotermia and controlled destruction. Got 3130k dps. Or 2.5 mil vs Shaper (means you will kill him in 8 seconds, but whatever...) All i wanna say: talking about that tooltip dps is different, so the calculations are wrong is bullshit. Why dont you go to the Doomfletch tread and dont asking the same question? Or, for example, to Blade flurry topics? Or Blade vortex? Man, fuck tooltip, it always lies. And while i agree that using perfectly rolled items in calculations is very cool story, your attempts to bother OP with such question just make you look like an idiot (which you are not, as i can see). For what do you do that? Justice? "Hey, that man lies to you, the dps is 1.8 million instead of 4!" And so what? Good players see the difference without you and will make proper changes to play as they want to (like i do). Bad players will just copy what they see in opening post, cause they have no brain. Nothing will change except the relationship to you. " Another one strange (i dont say "idiotic", but it close to) comment. The build usually have some finishing point (91 lvl or around that, because it is pretty achievable), when it concidered as complete. From THAT point you will use declared skill. This build is not called "Freezing pulse build to level to 90". Or 100. Or fast. Or cheap. So stop it.
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Anyway, Firestorm is bullshit. Dunno, why we need to change signature skill, if FP allows to level very smoothly.
" Yes, you are missing that most bosses (even Shaper) have adds. Also you are missing that Ice bite swap on the bosses was already discussed in this topic. To argue with a fool means to sink to his level.
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" Controlled Destruction on paper is theoretically more damage than Inc Crit Strikes (on the dual VB version of the build) by about 4% according to PoB. In actual gameplay, I preferred Inc Crit Strikes. Ty for dealing with the dweeb as I do not care enough to type out my same points 5 times over. “No matter where you are in life, no matter what you’ve contributed to creating, no matter what’s happening, you are always doing the best you can with the understanding and awareness and knowledge that you have.” www.twitch.tv/ohhpaigey Last edited by OhhPaigey#4471 on Oct 9, 2017, 10:16:47 PM
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" lmfao. Way to telegraph that you have no idea how to handle my remarks. " I want to ask this again. What damage modifiers aren't being calculated in tooltip that makes this DPS shoot into the millions? Tooltip DPS is actually 100% accurate in most cases. There are only specific abilities that don't account for miscellaneous stats, like sometimes ignoring cast speed for example. HOWEVER, FREEZING PULSE is not one of these. The only things tooltip won't calculate are the things that make sense not to calculate, i.e. modifiers that only apply in certain scenarios, or non-locally (as in, applied to specific enemies rather than applied as a modification to your character). And so, I ask yet again. What modifiers that the tooltip is NOT accounting for are adding up to be equivalent to 2,000% More damage, which is required to make 200,000 DPS on tooltip jump to 4,000,000 DPS in practice? " Again, because I'm not in those threads. I came to this thread because it calls itself a "4m DPS Freezing Pulse" build. And since I'm already running Freezing Pulse, I came here to see if there were clever ideas I never thought of. On the contrary, I saw several min/max errors in the skill tree that could be fixed, questionable gemming, and outside of that, just a cluster of highly-expensive items thrown together. If I went into a Blade Vortex thread because I was running a Blade Vortex build in-game, I'm sure I'd have words to say if similar problems were found. In fact, I have bashed other threads for their severe disconnect from the game's economy and how their "10 Chaos build" had half their items costing at least 1 Exalt. At LEAST this build knows it's a pricey one, and doesn't say otherwise at any point. " (This was about my comment with leveling, etc.) Man, I think you missed my point with this one. Of course I wouldn't normally bash a build for however they choose to level. My problem was that Paige tried to use "the amount of people using the build to level up" as a means of having credibility to the build itself. And my counter-argument was that they're basically 2 different builds. You can't boast about the leveling strength of your Freezing Pulse build by going Firestorm. (And, yes, indeed; I also feel like Pulse is plenty good for leveling, and I'm not sure why Firestorm would even need to be used in its place.) " Now, legitimate question: Are Shaper adds, or boss adds in general, frequent enough to maintain Frenzy charges from Ice Bite? Because I do doubt this, but maybe I am wrong. If Ice Bite is swapped out for bosses, I don't even know who on earth would care enough to run it just for trash. Like I said, trash hardly needs maximized DPS to get through. Whatever you use in its slot for bosses can SURELY be ran for trash and feel absolutely no difference, right? I can't imagine you'd lose time by not using Ice Bite for trash. ---- But I'd rather Paige herself tried to respond, rather than you. She's already called me out twice, while not actually responding to anything I've said. It's pretty BM. Don't support her in this. Alternatively, if she keeps allowing you to, it's really just submitting, is it not? Oh well. Last edited by ShadyC#1006 on Oct 9, 2017, 10:50:58 PM
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I dont have a goal to teach you something. You can create your own religion "Believers of tooltip" and discuss your problems with people, who interested in it.
Tooltip doesnt count Diamond flask boost and resist penetration at least. Also, 200k is low. I had 380k, and may be it is more right now, cause i played other chars for weeks and cant remember, was it with controlled destruction or without. If you wanna try something clever - try my occultist version, it doesnt need Skyforth, and i never used Acuity. It uses 3 curses, but ya, on Shaper you will have only 21% more dmg from penetration curse and projectile weakness. I invented it as a league starter for the people who dont have quadrillions of chaos to buy Skyforth (but still need to generate power). Also you can try a trick with proliferation passive and worms in a flask. If the magnitude of shock can be transferred, you can get 50% more dmg against any boss. About adds on Shaper: you pick one additional frenzy charge from a tree, it means you also pick additional frenzy duration. You get charges for 12 seconds. Will it be enough or not depends on your dps. If you can melt Shapers health to the next phase in 12-16 seconds - it is pretty enough. I also use Rotgut flask at the end of duration to get Onslaught (and it helps to clear maps because of move speed boost). To argue with a fool means to sink to his level.
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