Ranger - [2.6] CRIT HoWA BF/ST Raider [13k ES, 60k BF/265k GMP ST DPS, Stun-immune] [4 sec Chayula kill] - Forum

" Tremin wrote: " blublablubla wrote: Our trees are similar, nearly identical I would say. Even tho he has Str jewel our int are the same. And if he has one extra jewel that counts as a fraction of the dmg difference. I've noted the helm enchant but except that.. I mean looking at your trees and gear, you lack the 2 jewel sockets that he has since he went with the builds tree, also he picks up 2 frenzy charges that you don't. Since he uses shaper's touch he gains a lot of accuracy and you seem to lack accuracy on your gear by quite a lot, I'm interested in knowing how much % accuracy you have on your ST. Also your 6 link contains faster attacks which is by far not optimal on your ST 6 link, you want to use lightning penetration over that. The last thing I can see is that you only use 2 dps flasks, which is vessel of vinktar and diamond flask, he uses silver flask and atziri's promise ontop of that and this does give a lot of tooltip dps. I have a pair of Shapers and it gives me 3k DPS extra only. I know I should use LP but that's beside the point. Also it gives me even lower DPS since we talking DPS, by 10K. Other than that I can't see how 2 extra frenzy, flask and jewels give him 100k DPS on top of mine. But maybe they do idk.	Posted by blublablubla#0421 on Apr 4, 2017, 2:26:14 AM Quote this Post
Could anyone be so kind to critisize and advise on my set up for next upgrades. Have about 250c pure currency lying around. Currently my dps is 16K in hideout which seems to be lackluster to the numbers I have seen going around. I am aware that there is much room for improvement on my gear and tree. Just looking for some general guidance. Last edited by Zenminded#3789 on Apr 4, 2017, 6:12:22 AM	Posted by Zenminded#3789 on Apr 4, 2017, 6:09:17 AM Quote this Post
" blublablubla wrote: " Tremin wrote: " blublablubla wrote: Our trees are similar, nearly identical I would say. Even tho he has Str jewel our int are the same. And if he has one extra jewel that counts as a fraction of the dmg difference. I've noted the helm enchant but except that.. I mean looking at your trees and gear, you lack the 2 jewel sockets that he has since he went with the builds tree, also he picks up 2 frenzy charges that you don't. Since he uses shaper's touch he gains a lot of accuracy and you seem to lack accuracy on your gear by quite a lot, I'm interested in knowing how much % accuracy you have on your ST. Also your 6 link contains faster attacks which is by far not optimal on your ST 6 link, you want to use lightning penetration over that. The last thing I can see is that you only use 2 dps flasks, which is vessel of vinktar and diamond flask, he uses silver flask and atziri's promise ontop of that and this does give a lot of tooltip dps. I have a pair of Shapers and it gives me 3k DPS extra only. I know I should use LP but that's beside the point. Also it gives me even lower DPS since we talking DPS, by 10K. Other than that I can't see how 2 extra frenzy, flask and jewels give him 100k DPS on top of mine. But maybe they do idk. You are lacking alot in my opinion, not optimal talent tree, lack of quality/levels on gems, lack of decent jewels etc etc, gear decent but not amazing. Every little bit adds up.	Posted by Ropa23#6595 on Apr 4, 2017, 7:48:13 AM Quote this Post
any idea what dmg BF should have at least at lvl 90 character ? unbuffed, i have AOE :11268 ConC :17507	Posted by DBM92#6366 on Apr 4, 2017, 10:23:49 AM Quote this Post
" blublablubla wrote: " Tremin wrote: " blublablubla wrote: Our trees are similar, nearly identical I would say. Even tho he has Str jewel our int are the same. And if he has one extra jewel that counts as a fraction of the dmg difference. I've noted the helm enchant but except that.. I mean looking at your trees and gear, you lack the 2 jewel sockets that he has since he went with the builds tree, also he picks up 2 frenzy charges that you don't. Since he uses shaper's touch he gains a lot of accuracy and you seem to lack accuracy on your gear by quite a lot, I'm interested in knowing how much % accuracy you have on your ST. Also your 6 link contains faster attacks which is by far not optimal on your ST 6 link, you want to use lightning penetration over that. The last thing I can see is that you only use 2 dps flasks, which is vessel of vinktar and diamond flask, he uses silver flask and atziri's promise ontop of that and this does give a lot of tooltip dps. I have a pair of Shapers and it gives me 3k DPS extra only. I know I should use LP but that's beside the point. Also it gives me even lower DPS since we talking DPS, by 10K. Other than that I can't see how 2 extra frenzy, flask and jewels give him 100k DPS on top of mine. But maybe they do idk. Your tree is quite suboptimal. Download Path of Building and play around with the exchanging various clusters and you'll see what I mean, but in short: 1) The following notables and direct pathing towards them are flat out not worth it: Coordination, Fangs of the Viper 2) The following notables and pathing should are situational depending on gear and level, and should only be taken at later levels if at all: Claws of the Falcon, Throatseeker Getting Unwavering Stance (+ Brute Force Solution jewel socket), Acuity, Crackling Speed, Jewel Socket near Acrobatics, additional Frenzy charge nodes, are all more efficient uses of points than the nodes mentioned above. Optimizing your tree will take you a long way.	Posted by SorakPoE#5303 on Apr 4, 2017, 10:27:51 AM Quote this Post
So what should I get next? I'm pretty new and have no idea... I'm working on the gems atm. Last edited by xBattlefear#4578 on Apr 4, 2017, 10:34:28 AM	Posted by xBattlefear#4578 on Apr 4, 2017, 10:33:45 AM Quote this Post
" Zenminded wrote: I am in love with ST HOWA. What a fun build to play up to lvl 86 so far. I have saved up around 1ex and 100chaos currency. Would appreciate if you could review my profile and critique & advise what to focus on upgrade wise. Thanks !! You're welcome! I'd say the most significant upgrade you can get at this point is a 700+ 6L ES chest with INT on it. Nothing else that you have available to upgrade will come close to the impact that a 6L ES chest will have on your DPS so you should probably save up for that from now on and avoid getting intermediate upgrades for the other pieces of gear (for now). " SorakPoE wrote: If anyone has time to look, I'd appreciate getting some feedback on my gear / tree for to progress from where I'm at. Right now about 60k hideout DPS with GMP and 9.5k ES. At the moment I strongly prefer to keep Druidic Rite; it makes mana management a lot less stressful since I can afford to hit air a good bit more without running out of mana, plus the increased flask uptime I find is a pretty substantial buff in most situations. Ideas: 1) Replace gloves with Shaper's Touch, buy new rings since I won't need accuracy on them anymore. 2) Path on the outside of the tree instead of towards Foresight; however having played with this in Path of Building I haven't found a way that this is strictly better than the current build, it will gain either DPS or ES at the expense of the other. I'm shopping for gear upgrades, but everything that works with my resists etc as a single piece upgrade seems to be running into the double digit exalt range so I'm pretty hesitant to pull the trigger on that for what will be a fairly small upgrade. Saw the mini discussion you had with @motoman006. You guys both have valid points! Feel free to alter the tree whichever ways you wish to tailor your character! I'll stick to commenting on your gear: personally I would aim to get a better ring to replace your left ring as well as a better amulet, both of which have to have an open prefix with which to craft %ES. " Mike_Blackwater wrote: " SorakPoE wrote: " Mike_Blackwater wrote: Hello, I'd like to ask you guys for some help. I'm running Raider with pretty good gear. I'm running Blade Flurry, not Spectral Throw. My problem is, that my DPS is just low. - In Hideout its around 12k'ish. - According to the guide I should be around 25k - 35k. I haven't played the BF variant, but on first glance the main thing you seem to be light on is Crit Multi. In my experience with ST adding more Crit Multi on jewels and skill tree is the biggest source of damage on a per-node basis. Yes I'm trying to add more Crit Multiplier, but according to the guide he has smthing around 450% Multiplier... and ~100% Crit Multiplier doesnt make that much of a difference. Looking at your character at the moment, you have approx 15k average damage at level 90 with 1174 INT. Assuming you respec from Arcane Focus (looking at your ES gear, you can afford to do so) use this tree: Spoiler https://www.pathofexile.com/passive-skill-tree/AAAABAIBABzclczdSL3mFyasl2wIAQnBxdDQRnHcIzfUjxqNgfcyaGXquhnX7T8o-hX9_954GcBm85sqC4nTxq7z3ZhvVmMOSMT2uJObtUHQwzqSfRmKr2yDCedUcql3B8QVuNm-gFfJPL5RRxhdjDYV18HVtAyGrmjy8YowW8rT-WPsGJykVw3BoI_6FfD5M5_Lf8aHE-XP6hj4657NtMWv629XrfHn6g18X2qtM5cGKjjQrTLRoS96hL6KcFIRlgX5pzBHBm492NVgQ974LL8LYW-eJP0-z8pKX3CExV3yX7DSIYNt2-dFRx2DPO-keOvukyc= and assuming all the jewel sockets are filled with Apocalypse Scar Viridian Jewel (I find it amusing that you have two different jewels with the same name) you'll be able to achieve 18.4k average hideout damage. The rest of the difference between our damage will then be due to difference in jewels (mine provide an extra %dmg mod), difference in crit multi (my ammy has an extra crit multi mod of around 30+%), difference in INT (mine is higher), difference in accuracy (I have 90% chance to hit versus your 86%) as well as difference in levels. " blublablubla wrote: " Tremin wrote: " blublablubla wrote: Our trees are similar, nearly identical I would say. Even tho he has Str jewel our int are the same. And if he has one extra jewel that counts as a fraction of the dmg difference. I've noted the helm enchant but except that.. I mean looking at your trees and gear, you lack the 2 jewel sockets that he has since he went with the builds tree, also he picks up 2 frenzy charges that you don't. Since he uses shaper's touch he gains a lot of accuracy and you seem to lack accuracy on your gear by quite a lot, I'm interested in knowing how much % accuracy you have on your ST. Also your 6 link contains faster attacks which is by far not optimal on your ST 6 link, you want to use lightning penetration over that. The last thing I can see is that you only use 2 dps flasks, which is vessel of vinktar and diamond flask, he uses silver flask and atziri's promise ontop of that and this does give a lot of tooltip dps. I have a pair of Shapers and it gives me 3k DPS extra only. I know I should use LP but that's beside the point. Also it gives me even lower DPS since we talking DPS, by 10K. Other than that I can't see how 2 extra frenzy, flask and jewels give him 100k DPS on top of mine. But maybe they do idk. I'm afraid I'll have to agree with Ropa, Tremin and Sorak. Looking at your char right now, you have approx 55k average hideout damage with GMP. If you were to use his tree, use Atziri's Flask and a Silver Flask, use a Shaper's Touch to get your accuracy up and have jewels with attack speed and crit multi, your buffed DPS goes up to 150k at least which allowing for other factors ends up being pretty similar to his. Here's the Path of building code: Spoiler 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" DBM92 wrote: any idea what dmg BF should have at least at lvl 90 character ? unbuffed, i have AOE :11268 ConC :17507 Your gear is fine, although I would aim to upgrade the gloves soon. Your damage is OK but can be much higher if you improve your pathing a little. You really should be grabbing the disemboweling cluster. It is a major DPS boost for BF. On top of that, you don't need 2 brute forces. The one just below templar should be switched to a good rare. " xBattlefear wrote: So what should I get next? I'm pretty new and have no idea... I'm working on the gems atm. The biggest impact item you can get would be a good 6L ES chest, or if you 6L your existing chest. Upgrades for the other gear pieces you have won't have as large of an impact on your character. Edit: sorry if I've missed out on replying any of the posts, and much thanks to those of you who have helped reply some of the posts! Its quite tiring trying to keep up with the backlog of questions haha Build of the Week 14 The first Righteous Fire/Non-Shavronne's/Shavronne's HC Shameless self-proclaimed theory-crafting extraordinaire and forum crusader Last edited by Invalesco#7360 on Apr 4, 2017, 11:23:27 AM	Posted by Invalesco#7360 on Apr 4, 2017, 11:22:09 AM Alpha Member Quote this Post
So far the only thing that has killed me is uber trio. I honestly do not understand how people do that deathless. Every video I see they get very lucky with kiting them around. Also - As a note. I do not recommend the spectral throw decel helmet unless you're only running strand/shore/etc. It makes single target a pain. if you right click, you will run up quite close with slower projectiles. The issue is the projectile goes further than before and takes 30% more time to get back to you. On something like the Atziri 4-split, this can be devastating. Every .1 seconds is important with a growing flameblast under your feet. Either have something to swap in/out or don't bother IMO. Last edited by kharper6#7741 on Apr 4, 2017, 11:35:22 AM	Posted by kharper6#7741 on Apr 4, 2017, 11:35:07 AM Quote this Post
Hello Invalesco and other theorycrafters ! I must say Im enjoying this build very much. Although my BF dmg is quite low. Could you please advise what should I change in my gear ? Right now Im a bit overcapped with cold res, hence Wise Oak is not used. I'm using Empower 4lvl and more tanky aura setup. My dmg (Inc area effect) in ho with auras and golem is 13k which seems to be a bit low. I'll get int on my chest as a last stage of tuning, as I may have issue with capping fire res. I've a budget of 16exlts for upgrades. Spoiler Thanks guys in advance!	Posted by Thargz89#1264 on Apr 4, 2017, 12:03:23 PM Quote this Post
thx a lot will get back later with the result :D	Posted by DBM92#6366 on Apr 4, 2017, 1:43:37 PM Quote this Post