[2.6] CRIT HoWA BF/ST Raider [13k ES, 60k BF/265k GMP ST DPS, Stun-immune] [4 sec Chayula kill]

Has anyone tested/compared this to etup's build? Wondering if the crit version with higher DPS is better overall for SC than his non-crit one (giving up flask charges for crit might be better choice maybe?)

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Guchette94 wrote:

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SorakPoE wrote:

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Invalesco wrote:

I did initially do what you did and swap elemental focus to ICD to proc HoT + Assassin's Mark. As you've then subsequently mentioned, I realised that there wasn't a need to try and keep power charges up while general mapping if you one-two shot mobs anyway. Power charges will be more useful in prolonged fights such as in breaches and against bosses, and this is where the CWDT-BV-PCoC setup comes into play, giving you power charges for that extra bit of damage when you need it, which is something that HoT + Assassin's Mark is unable to provide in a boss fight.

Would that work for boss fights in a ST setup? Generally I would have imagined you're not standing close enough to the boss for the BV procs to be consistent unless there are a lot of add swarming you.

Well for any t14-t15 boss u dont need this charge too , u can rape them with gmp ,but with slow proj for guardian ,shaper,uber u have to be close to the boss ,st dont go far,so yhea it work fine.

Yup, also to add: most bosses will jump u and end up at melee range anyway. So for prolonged fights (ie >5s or so) it'll definitely come in useful. You can have a look at my BF vs ST comparison video to see how the power charges were racked up during the fight with one of the breachlords in a gorge breach.

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MFJones wrote:

do i need to get skyforths if i wanna generate power charges without PCOC?

Hey MFJones! Other options that I've considered were using a Blue Dream Cobalt Jewel at the jewel socket at the right of shadow or an intuitive leap jewel in the socket next to conduit and grabbing overcharged. Unfortunately, those will be useless in boss fights without adds, so yes. skyforths will be the only reliable way of generating power charges without PCOC. If you want to go for skyforths, I'd probably go with this tree:



You'll be using intuitive leap in the socket to the right of shadow. With this tree (with skyforth and enlighten) you will be able to run discipline, wrath and herald of thunder which with the power and frenzy charges will give you approx 0.5% increased DPS compared to the non-skyforth version, albeit with more reliable power charge generation. You will also have something like 2k+ mana which will give you a stun threshold of >10k, as well as 20% incr. flask effect duration and 40% flask charges gained. You will however drop from 2.8% leech to 1.6% leech, which I think should be alright considering we were all doing fine last league with only 2% leech.

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CrunCherTime wrote:

Has anyone tested/compared this to etup's build? Wondering if the crit version with higher DPS is better overall for SC than his non-crit one (giving up flask charges for crit might be better choice maybe?)

Short answer would be that you'll get higher DPS with crit than non-crit. Giving up flask charges for crit is worth it imo if you're killing mobs fast enough to generate flask charges within the duration of the flask effect, which was the case for me last league. There's no reason why you can't grab those flask charges nodes if you wish though! it's just an extra 5 points if you want to give up some ES/DPS nodes.

thanks for the response. do you think point blank is worth grabbing for rares/bosses?

Thanks, will likely give this build a try later in the league because I did the non-crit version last league and it was already incredibly tanky and powerful.

Whats the difference between this tree vs etup's tree? Will it make that much of a difference which tree I use? He picks much more ES from witch tree and soul raker and your tree seems to spend a lot of points just to get unwavering stance...

I don't know which tree should I use :/

Just full swapped my life ST to this build. Having serious mana issues outside of vinktar. Have to run a mana flask...is this normal?

How important is it for int to be on every single piece? I have a gorgeous 6l ci chest with 891 es and 71 resistances but no int. Would I lost a significant amount of damage even if everything else did have int?

Would astramentis end up being necessary at that point?

Has it been considered (I'm sure it has) whether its worth sacrificing something to get the Primeval Force nodes? The reduced reflect, penetration and ele damage are all very juicy down there..?

P.

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CrunCherTime wrote:

thanks for the response. do you think point blank is worth grabbing for rares/bosses?

You're welcome! I'm afraid point blank isn't worth grabbing.

Reason being that iirc the ST projectiles will travel to the monsters and back again, potentially hitting the monsters twice. That counts for the whole distance travelled. If you take point blank you may deal more damage when the ST projectile is on its way out, but it'll deal less damage when it returns. At best, having point blank will cause the average damage dealt to be similar to if you don't have point blank (albeit having spent 1 point). At worst, you deal less damage by having point blank.

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MFJones wrote:

Thanks, will likely give this build a try later in the league because I did the non-crit version last league and it was already incredibly tanky and powerful.

Yup! Welcome to the crit camp if you do!

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Melona wrote:

Whats the difference between this tree vs etup's tree? Will it make that much of a difference which tree I use? He picks much more ES from witch tree and soul raker and your tree seems to spend a lot of points just to get unwavering stance...

I don't know which tree should I use :/

Both trees have their pros and cons with the main advantage of his tree being that of grabbing flask nodes. Also, he has not gone for crit whereas I have. Therein lies the main difference. Pathing to unwavering stance is fully worth it imo.

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Brocaesar wrote:

Just full swapped my life ST to this build. Having serious mana issues outside of vinktar. Have to run a mana flask...is this normal?

Heya, do you have at least 1 mana leech node? You should either have the soul raker cluster OR have that mana leech node at vitality void.

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How important is it for int to be on every single piece? I have a gorgeous 6l ci chest with 891 es and 71 resistances but no int. Would I lost a significant amount of damage even if everything else did have int?

Would astramentis end up being necessary at that point?

If everything else has int, no you wouldn't lose a significant amount of damage. Keep your chest imo. My chestpiece also only had about 30 int. In the long run that doesn't make a huge lot of difference.

Astramentis is going to be less powerful for a crit build than an amulet with >30% WED, >30% crit multi, 40+dex and 40+int.

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mrpetrov wrote:

Has it been considered (I'm sure it has) whether its worth sacrificing something to get the Primeval Force nodes? The reduced reflect, penetration and ele damage are all very juicy down there..?

P.

Heya pet! :) Yup its been considered, unfortunately primeval force isn't worth it. What may be worth it though (seeing as you're the BF version) is the Force of Nature cluster for the reduced reflected damage, but you'll have to give up some dps nodes for that. It would be worth it though if reflect is a major fear.

How do you get the str for the gems used in the build? Im using a str int amulet and still cant get the str for immortal call for example.