[2.6] CRIT HoWA BF/ST Raider [13k ES, 60k BF/265k GMP ST DPS, Stun-immune] [4 sec Chayula kill]

What are the pros and cons of Crit and Non Crit. I Played non crit in Breach and i wanted to go crit now but i don't rly know the differences.

hmm really nice build i did maybe destroy it a bit :D don't like so much dex / str convert
well i m willing to invest a large amount of regrets to change it if needed :p
tried to go more into witch / templer side and get the power charges + skyforth.
Also thinking about get -15% reserved notes and run blaspehmy curse + HoT + AA + Disc.
Well could be make the BF even more tanky .. for spectral throw this is probably to much reserved.

mfg
Majin

Hi can you take a look at my character? im currently lvl 89 with just under 9k ES and I feel very squishy.

I can't facetank much and so far have only done up to minotaur and phoenix and it required a lot of dodging. When vinktars is down my leech just doesn't feel like its high enough.

Could it be because my accuracy sucks (76%) or am I just missing damage? (14k with conc in h/o)

Thanks.

EDIT: I did all 4 guardians and shaper since posting this, although it is quite hard. I am assuming my damage isn't enough, as some shaper phases took a while, I still rely heavily on vinktars, which isnt up much during boss fights unfortunately. :/

How does this build perform on a 5L (spectral throw)?

Is it still good or is there are consideravle drop in damage? Note that i dont plan on killing shaper... but doing red maps easily would be nice?

What tier map could I go up to with the level 22 version of the weapons? Since HOWA is stupidly expensive right now.

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SorakPoE wrote:

Tree here:

Spoiler

https://www.pathofexile.com/passive-skill-tree/AAAABAIBAGOnmmpbr91GlcyNudvnoqPQ0M2YFyaQChmKbAiJ08SiDY2iQMGgN9T9bvT4wzOXBuq6bAtWY0HQFf2nK3gZwcWGrjBbvqdOKqOK51Qj0yL0Ynl-3Zu1hMUV9nj5r-uTJ1oaoS8RUHcHj_oRlh9B7g4OSDy-dcs1uYw2FdcsvxXwrTPxisM6ytP5Y-wYDPIDHpykvoqHE5smjX5_xm-etAy-gO0_eoRtGSoLoSIPxFFHDXxfam8nuMoqOLTFb1d_K6XLMHxwUisKBfnqYkcGbj3Y1WBDTP8RgTt8AAYk_YMJykpfcAHRXfJfsP_eg21DMY2BGddGcdCtES_8xQ==

To me it seems like the extra penetration, WED, and added Dex -> Int nodes converted largely make up for whatever stats the amulet provided, with the bonus that you take 10% reduced reflect damage. The main loss would be if you had an insane amulet that also had resists along with WED Int and Crit Multi

Edit:

Just tried changing it up on the Path of Building you linked, with that insane amulet you have it does show higher damage against 0 resist enemies than taking the nodes, but taking those nodes gives more damage against enemies with lots of lightning resists it looks like. Although the balance may change if you have Vinktar and/or Wise Oak activated.

On the other hand at the point where you have an amulet that crazy using Skyforth might be in play as far as cost is concerned :)

Actually, the effective dps is still higher against a map boss with +40% lightning res with my ammy + US as compared to chayula with + 1 frenzy charge, even without vinktars/wise oak/curses. That said, you do have a point and I think your tree makes for a more amulet-independent character. However, you will have to suffer a loss of ES as well as having to spend points on Strength for WED (your tree has only 34 str or so).

I'm quite surprised you think my amulet is insane haha, it only cost me 30c last league (without the %ES mastercraft). That said, I guess it was because everyone was grabbing astramentis and no one was playing crit. Something similar is probably gonna be a bit tougher to find for as cheap a price this league. It's definitely not gonna be in the same league as skyforth with regards to the cost though! :p

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sevenfold wrote:

Hello, just started this build , any tips would really help me. Dont mind the jewel atm

Hey! a few things:
1. You have the wrong vinktars, you'll want the one that gives 10% dmg penetration.
2. Your HoWAs are minimally rolled, you'll want to divine them up or buy better ones at some point.
2. in terms of gear upgrading, your priority should probably be:
i. boots
ii. chest
iii. gloves
iv. jewellery
v. helm

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Hejtero wrote:

What are the pros and cons of Crit and Non Crit. I Played non crit in Breach and i wanted to go crit now but i don't rly know the differences.

Crit does more damage in the long run if you're willing to invest in your character. With non-crit you hit a ceiling in terms of damage much sooner. With average gear and at mid-level, non-crit will outdps crit because of elemental overload, which is why I recommend grabbing that keystone while leveling and then converting to crit later on.

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Majin111 wrote:

hmm really nice build i did maybe destroy it a bit :D don't like so much dex / str convert
well i m willing to invest a large amount of regrets to change it if needed :p
tried to go more into witch / templer side and get the power charges + skyforth.
Also thinking about get -15% reserved notes and run blaspehmy curse + HoT + AA + Disc.
Well could be make the BF even more tanky .. for spectral throw this is probably to much reserved.

mfg
Majin

Skyforth probably won't improve a BF version very much. A ST version will benefit slightly more. You won't however want to go to templar area as it'll be a waste of points, coz templar area has good melee nodes which won't affect ST. :p I found that the points invested in mana nodes were not worth it, and it was better to invest those points in crit nodes. Thats just imo ofc, but you're welcome to vary from it!

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bitbite11 wrote:

Hi can you take a look at my character? im currently lvl 89 with just under 9k ES and I feel very squishy.

I can't facetank much and so far have only done up to minotaur and phoenix and it required a lot of dodging. When vinktars is down my leech just doesn't feel like its high enough.

Could it be because my accuracy sucks (76%) or am I just missing damage? (14k with conc in h/o)

Thanks.

EDIT: I did all 4 guardians and shaper since posting this, although it is quite hard. I am assuming my damage isn't enough, as some shaper phases took a while, I still rely heavily on vinktars, which isnt up much during boss fights unfortunately. :/

A few things:
1. Your ES is a lil low to facetank guardians. You'll probably want 10k at least, which you can get primarily from good jewellery with %ES crafted.
2. Your accuracy really is very low, you'll want at least 88% accuracy or so for sure to get your damage up. Your leech is not going to be very good if you're missing the bosses 1/4 of the time. Try getting another piece of gear with >300 accuracy to bring your hit chance up.
3. Your boots are great. Your gloves have great ES and Int but still have room for improvement. Your helm has a nice enchant but the ES is a lil low. That can be changed later on. In terms of upgrade priorities, I would aim for a better ES chest followed by better ES jewellery. If you can get better ES gear, you can afford to respec from the ES nodes above witch and invest in that claw crit cluster which will get both your leech and DPS (especially your DPS) higher.

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brunowa wrote:

How does this build perform on a 5L (spectral throw)?

Is it still good or is there are consideravle drop in damage? Note that i dont plan on killing shaper... but doing red maps easily would be nice?

The damage will still be decent, but there will indeed be a considerable drop in damage due to the 6L being a support gem which will multiply your damage. Red maps shouldn't be too much problems though if you swap slower projectiles in for GMP versus bosses.

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vileArchon wrote:

just posting an update, still loving this build. haven't had quite this much fun since my first CoC discharge, except my eyes arent bleeding half as much.

Going to be upgrading my gems to 20/20 very soon, Not really sure where to go from here regarding gear.

The obvious choice is getting a 6L regalia, I got really lucky crafting my current chest (dropped as 6L) but aside from that could you guys pick my weakest piece of gear for me..I am thinking either gloves or moonstone ring but unsure.

edit: thought i should throw in there im running the defensive aura setup (AA, discpline and POL) and my damage is still insane (up to around T13 maps), so highly recommend that setup to avoid frustrating deaths.

thx again Invalesco!

Yup the ES chest will be the number one upgrade. Your boots are pretty awesome, but I will want to craft +30 int on them and exalt and hope for a res at some point. Your talisman amulet is pretty sick, gratz on that! If you want more ES however you'll probably have to upgrade those at some point as well!

With regards to upgrade priority, I would probably upgrade the gloves first followed by the moonstone ring as they don't have any res so it should make them relatively simpler to upgrade. Your other ring will be next, followed by the belt, the helm and finally the claws.

As your ES gets higher, you'll have some points available from respeccing those ES nodes to grab more DPS nodes.

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QuantumVoid1 wrote:

What tier map could I go up to with the level 22 version of the weapons? Since HOWA is stupidly expensive right now.

In all honesty, you can probably do all the white maps without much problems. That's what I did. Beyond that I don't have much experience I'm afraid.

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Invalesco wrote:

A few things:
1. Your ES is a lil low to facetank guardians. You'll probably want 10k at least, which you can get primarily from good jewellery with %ES crafted.
2. Your accuracy really is very low, you'll want at least 88% accuracy or so for sure to get your damage up. Your leech is not going to be very good if you're missing the bosses 1/4 of the time. Try getting another piece of gear with >300 accuracy to bring your hit chance up.
3. Your boots are great. Your gloves have great ES and Int but still have room for improvement. Your helm has a nice enchant but the ES is a lil low. That can be changed later on. In terms of upgrade priorities, I would aim for a better ES chest followed by better ES jewellery. If you can get better ES gear, you can afford to respec from the ES nodes above witch and invest in that claw crit cluster which will get both your leech and DPS (especially your DPS) higher.

Thanks for the tips. I am currently at 9.3k ES, farming shaper is easy now due to me just being better at mechanics, actually got a dying sun second run which was nice (done him 4 times now).

My accuracy is now up to 83%, and im hunting for a better ring, also trying to get a better hat, how valuable is the 40% bf damage enchant vs just a hat with higher ES. With conc effect in my H/O (using wrath) my DPS goes from 14.8 > 17k on BF tooltip by wearing the hat.

I am working on better ES stuff but I don't want to get a new chest just yet since it is a 6L, its kind of hard to get a decent upgrade with my current currency.

I just tried and failed uber atziri (had her to about 40%). The most brutal thing was just getting 1 shot by spears (I had basalt up usually). Any tips for her? I would like to kill her this league.

Thanks for the help.

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Invalesco wrote:

Actually, the effective dps is still higher against a map boss with +40% lightning res with my ammy + US as compared to chayula with + 1 frenzy charge, even without vinktars/wise oak/curses. That said, you do have a point and I think your tree makes for a more amulet-independent character. However, you will have to suffer a loss of ES as well as having to spend points on Strength for WED (your tree has only 34 str or so).

I'm quite surprised you think my amulet is insane haha, it only cost me 30c last league (without the %ES mastercraft). That said, I guess it was because everyone was grabbing astramentis and no one was playing crit. Something similar is probably gonna be a bit tougher to find for as cheap a price this league. It's definitely not gonna be in the same league as skyforth with regards to the cost though! :p

Huh, you know, I did severely overestimate how much an amulet like that would cost. I expected something with essentially 3 perfect rolls for a top meta build would be extremely expensive but it looks like 30-50c (without the master craft) is about the right ballpark.

Well, sucks since I already took the WED nodes while leveling - I'm using Doomfletch's Prism to level so those nodes are extremely nice for that. I was doing my comparison based on 75% lightning resists and it does give a little better DPS there, but outside of perhaps Minotaur or Hydra that's probably unrealistic since most things will die while we have Wise Oak + Vinktar up for 30% extra lightning pen. I think you are right that this approach gives better damage and ES overall. I'll keep trying it out and seeing if the reduced reflect damage is worth losing a small amount of DPS or if there's another tree that makes it more worthwhile.

I am BF build and follow the "BF/End Game/Max DPS but Less Leech" tree. Would appreciate comments and advice on:

1. I am using HoT, Discipline, and Blasphemy (Assassin's Mark). It seems to me clear speed is quicker then using Discipline and Wrath. Since most bosses have high elemental resists, I choose not to use Elemental Weakness. Which curse is better, Assassin's Mark or Elemental Weakness?

2. I mainly run high end maps but really hate swapping between Increased AoE and Concentrated Effect gems. Is there a gem which I can use for all situations? Or I just need to live with this.

3. I managed to get hold of a pair of HoWA with "+1 to Weapon Range" implicit. Is this implicit useful at all for this build (I didn't seem to notice much difference between using these and the normal HoWA)?

4. I have two pairs of gloves that I can use, one with Fury enchantment and the other with Tempest enchantment. Which one is better for this build and what glove enchantment should I aim for.

5. As I follow the "Less Leech" tree, I only have 1.2% life leech. My leech occasionally seemed not to be enough. Since it will cost me a fair number of points to get more leech nodes, I wonder how big the difference is between 2.8% and 1.2% leech and whether it is worthwhile or essential to get more leech nodes. For your information, my current hideout unbuffed dps is 20,765 (with HoT on).

6. I found that Increased Attack Speed does not affect or improve our tooltip dps. I understand it affects the speed BF stacks, but how important is attack speed to this build? Any way to quantify it so that I know say 6% increased attack speed is about as valuable as 10% increased damage.

Thanks for any feedback in advance.

Would u reccomend going Non Crit if i have around 10 ex budget on Legacy or Crit gonna be ok with that also

if non crit how the tree should look like