[2.6] CRIT HoWA BF/ST Raider [13k ES, 60k BF/265k GMP ST DPS, Stun-immune] [4 sec Chayula kill]

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Deadbringer wrote:
Will give this thing another shot in 2.6. Rip mine pretty early in dried lake last league . I remember lvling was a pain in the ass.

With the BF mini nerf, is bf better for shaper or ST would do the job?


As for the lvling part,how would someone go about it? bow/LA ? Or st/tabula or ?


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Hejtero wrote:
How is BF doing after the nerfs?
I have played HoWA ST in Breach so i wanted to try BF now but if its worse then ST now im gonna stick to ST


Both would do the job. BF still deals more damage than ST but ST can clear maps slightly faster. Its a matter of personal preference with regards to the playstyle I would imagine. The downside with ST is that it consumes a heckload of mana compared to BF and can be quite clunky in small enclosed areas.

For leveling --> I pretty much just went Bow/LA until I got my HoTA at level 22 and then transitioned to ST followed by BF after.

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zxfx wrote:
What helm enchant would you suggest?



For BF: before the AoE nerfs I would have suggested BF radius. Now I would suggest damage. For ST: ST decel.

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zazey wrote:
I know astramentis is over-inflated right now but do you think it is the best neck I can get? atm using
but I have currency to burn.


Your neck is about average I would say. Looking at POE trade I see several amulets which look probably on par with/slightly better than Astra for cheaper.

http://poe.trade/search/iomokatiusikiu
Build of the Week 14
The first Righteous Fire/Non-Shavronne's/Shavronne's HC
Shameless self-proclaimed theory-crafting extraordinaire and forum crusader
just posting an update, still loving this build. haven't had quite this much fun since my first CoC discharge, except my eyes arent bleeding half as much.

Going to be upgrading my gems to 20/20 very soon, Not really sure where to go from here regarding gear.

The obvious choice is getting a 6L regalia, I got really lucky crafting my current chest (dropped as 6L) but aside from that could you guys pick my weakest piece of gear for me..I am thinking either gloves or moonstone ring but unsure.

edit: thought i should throw in there im running the defensive aura setup (AA, discpline and POL) and my damage is still insane (up to around T13 maps), so highly recommend that setup to avoid frustrating deaths.

thx again Invalesco!

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Last edited by vileArchon#6238 on Mar 13, 2017, 1:38:08 AM
Is vinktar's all you need for mana for ST? Really enjoying the build, thx
might be too much to ask, but have any1 crunch the numbers on BF vs ST on single target, takin into consideration the recent balance change and appropriate gem swap concentrated effect and slow projectile etc. since its only thing that matters as both will melt trash anyways.
Is this build hard to cap resistances?

Just wondering whether I should take Bandit skill point in normal or go +10 to resistances as I won't be able to afford the top end gear?
it might be harder since u want int on every piece and thats already 1 suffix taken
Question specifically about the 2.6 tree you posted:

It seems like you avoided taking the new Elemental Damage / Penetration cluster near Arrow Dancing as well as the existing one (that perhaps had terrible pathing on the 2.5 tree) near Vaal Pact. I played around with the tree a bit in Path of Building, and it seems like even if you sub in Eye of Chayula for a high WED/Crit Multi/Int Amulet it still results in higher effective DPS to take those nodes with the points you save from going for Unwavering Stance.

Is there anything I'm not thinking about for why it would be a bad idea to do that?
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vileArchon wrote:
just posting an update, still loving this build. haven't had quite this much fun since my first CoC discharge, except my eyes arent bleeding half as much.

Going to be upgrading my gems to 20/20 very soon, Not really sure where to go from here regarding gear.

The obvious choice is getting a 6L regalia, I got really lucky crafting my current chest (dropped as 6L) but aside from that could you guys pick my weakest piece of gear for me..I am thinking either gloves or moonstone ring but unsure.

edit: thought i should throw in there im running the defensive aura setup (AA, discpline and POL) and my damage is still insane (up to around T13 maps), so highly recommend that setup to avoid frustrating deaths.

thx again Invalesco!



You're welcome! We can't see your character/gear unfortunately so its a lil tough to give suggestions for improvements.

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metashdw wrote:
Is vinktar's all you need for mana for ST? Really enjoying the build, thx


Vinktars provides life leech and damage penetration. It doesn't affect mana. You're welcome!

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buttcommander wrote:
might be too much to ask, but have any1 crunch the numbers on BF vs ST on single target, takin into consideration the recent balance change and appropriate gem swap concentrated effect and slow projectile etc. since its only thing that matters as both will melt trash anyways.


Here's the code for path of building for my character (with his gear and jewels). You can play around with it if you're interested in the numbers.

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SorakPoE wrote:
Question specifically about the 2.6 tree you posted:

It seems like you avoided taking the new Elemental Damage / Penetration cluster near Arrow Dancing as well as the existing one (that perhaps had terrible pathing on the 2.5 tree) near Vaal Pact. I played around with the tree a bit in Path of Building, and it seems like even if you sub in Eye of Chayula for a high WED/Crit Multi/Int Amulet it still results in higher effective DPS to take those nodes with the points you save from going for Unwavering Stance.

Is there anything I'm not thinking about for why it would be a bad idea to do that?


Ya I avoided those clusters because the benefit they provided didn't seem worth it to me. Subbing a high int amulet for chayula will give up quite abit of ES. Personally, based on my gear, I didn't see much point in using chayula and grabbing those nodes, but I might be wrong! Your suggestion has merits however in that it makes the build less dependent on a good ammy.

What tree were you using? You can use my char (path of building code provided below) if you wish. Open to suggestions!

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The first Righteous Fire/Non-Shavronne's/Shavronne's HC
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Tree here:

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https://www.pathofexile.com/passive-skill-tree/AAAABAIBAGOnmmpbr91GlcyNudvnoqPQ0M2YFyaQChmKbAiJ08SiDY2iQMGgN9T9bvT4wzOXBuq6bAtWY0HQFf2nK3gZwcWGrjBbvqdOKqOK51Qj0yL0Ynl-3Zu1hMUV9nj5r-uTJ1oaoS8RUHcHj_oRlh9B7g4OSDy-dcs1uYw2FdcsvxXwrTPxisM6ytP5Y-wYDPIDHpykvoqHE5smjX5_xm-etAy-gO0_eoRtGSoLoSIPxFFHDXxfam8nuMoqOLTFb1d_K6XLMHxwUisKBfnqYkcGbj3Y1WBDTP8RgTt8AAYk_YMJykpfcAHRXfJfsP_eg21DMY2BGddGcdCtES_8xQ==


To me it seems like the extra penetration, WED, and added Dex -> Int nodes converted largely make up for whatever stats the amulet provided, with the bonus that you take 10% reduced reflect damage. The main loss would be if you had an insane amulet that also had resists along with WED Int and Crit Multi

Edit:

Just tried changing it up on the Path of Building you linked, with that insane amulet you have it does show higher damage against 0 resist enemies than taking the nodes, but taking those nodes gives more damage against enemies with lots of lightning resists it looks like. Although the balance may change if you have Vinktar and/or Wise Oak activated.

On the other hand at the point where you have an amulet that crazy using Skyforth might be in play as far as cost is concerned :)
Last edited by SorakPoE#5303 on Mar 13, 2017, 1:55:41 PM
Hello, just started this build , any tips would really help me. Dont mind the jewel atm

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