3.0 UPDATED] Raider Elemental Crit Spectral Throw - Shaper and t16 viable

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doctorsurgo wrote:

Also sweet Jesus I hate Slower Projectiles. Is there any viable alternative for the gem swap?

You could use pierce, but you'd lose on damage. Usually, it's fine to get close to the bosses that require you to use slower proj. For the rest you dont even need to swap.

@Divisionbell, for jewels, favor attack speed and crit multi, then proj damage, then lightning damage I'd say. And get life on all of them.

Would a cheap weapon alternative be Hyaon's Fury Legion Sword? As it gives more physical damage and more flat lightning damage

No, it's a terrible sword for us. We care about attack speed and crit first, and it has TERRIBLE values in both of these categories. Don't use it :)

I recommend reading the whole OP if you're gonna play this build, it'll save you time ;)

What do i need to change first to increase my dmg ?
Triple ele dmg on sword ? Better rings ? Or amu ? Not sure. Pls help.

Any of you finished the Hall of Grandmasters?

Hi all:

Mostly done with this build and farming challenges (I will say, being able to smoke t15s and all 16s is easily the most fun I've had in endgame. Screw strand farming, 126/126 high level maps is the way to go). I'm looking next at Uber Atziri and am running into some problems (managed to kill Shaper easily enough).

My first set I killed Vaal Duo no problem, died either 2 or 3x on the Trio, then made it to the second phase of Atziri and got gibbed by her storm call at one point and twice when I failed to kill the split phase in ~1 second. Second set, I was able to kill the first Vaal Construct before it burrowed, but was unable to kill the second and died twice to him, and then died to trash, tilted off, and died to Atziri again before her split phase (died on Trio twice).

I'll link my current gear below, but I'm sitting at ~30k in HO, maybe 90k with Slower Proj and flasks up? Damage hasn't felt like the major issue (though I'm not one shotting the ranged girl on trio which is a big problem in starting that fight). Have a few questions on setups for Alluring Abyss:

- It feels like sometimes with Slower Proj, I'll do no damage, then take a step to the left, and the boss just fucking melts, even standing in the middle of an empty room. Is there some trick to lining up the proj, or maybe pre-firing as the Vaal Constructs come alive? I think this is part of why I failed to kill the construct on my second set while I managed it so easily the first time.
- Should I be running Vaal Lightning Trap? Maybe over the inc crit gem in my Orb of Storms setup? Could we run multiple VLTs to stack up charges for split phase?
- Since Atziri reflects curses, is it worth running the Ass Mark - COH - HOT combo? Could also use those blue slots for VLT.
- Flasks: I run a Insta-Staunching flask, Wise Oak, Atziri Flask, and Vinktars with a Diamond/Grounding. I like the Atziri flask for trash, is it worth swapping out Wise oak for Vaals and Trio (topaz and another staunching flask respectively). What did you guys use?

Half of me wants to just buy the kill and be done with it, but I think I'm going to stick it out and bang my head against the wall. I've never been strong enough to do the content I can on this character, and after seeing people do it in this thread, I'd like to do it myself rather than just buy it off. Thanks in advance, gear linked below:

- If you're not sure you can kill both vaals before they burrow, I think it's much safer to get the first one down to 10/20%, then go to the next one, and do the same. Getting one enraged too soon with this build is a sure way to loose 1 or 2 portals.

- if you're fine possibly dying once on the trio, I would say, activate all your flasks, maybe use vaal lightning trap, and then with slower proj, rush A'alai and kill her super fast. When she's down, I think the safest way to get the others is to kite them. I did uber only once (and it was a success on the last portal...), and I died I think 3 times to the trio. So i gave up on slower proj and trying to tank them, and just used GMP, kited them and it worked fine.

- atziri is mostly practice. You should use vaal lightning trap for the split phases if you can. I didnt. My recommendation would be to position yourself and your totem in the middle, then fire some slow projs towards one of the clones just before they activate, then as soon as the flameblast starts, shield charge out of the way and instantly start attacking the clone again. You should be able to kill it before the next flameblast hopefully.

- Idk if the clones also reflect curses, but I dont think so, in which case the orb of storm setup might still be useful, as it's the deadliest of the phases as you know.

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niuage wrote:

- If you're not sure you can kill both vaals before they burrow, I think it's much safer to get the first one down to 10/20%, then go to the next one, and do the same. Getting one enraged too soon with this build is a sure way to loose 1 or 2 portals.

- if you're fine possibly dying once on the trio, I would say, activate all your flasks, maybe use vaal lightning trap, and then with slower proj, rush A'alai and kill her super fast. When she's down, I think the safest way to get the others is to kite them. I did uber only once (and it was a success on the last portal...), and I died I think 3 times to the trio. So i gave up on slower proj and trying to tank them, and just used GMP, kited them and it worked fine.

- atziri is mostly practice. You should use vaal lightning trap for the split phases if you can. I didnt. My recommendation would be to position yourself and your totem in the middle, then fire some slow projs towards one of the clones just before they activate, then as soon as the flameblast starts, shield charge out of the way and instantly start attacking the clone again. You should be able to kill it before the next flameblast hopefully.

- Idk if the clones also reflect curses, but I dont think so, in which case the orb of storm setup might still be useful, as it's the deadliest of the phases as you know.

Thanks Niuage! Would it be beneficial to grab multiple lightning traps do you think for the Atziri fight? I think I'm safe to drop Inc Crit on the Orb of Storms, not sure if I'd need more than three charges for Atziri herself. Like you said, the split phase is the issue, if I can line up Slow Proj well enough she absolutely melts.

What you said makes sense with the Vaals, I'll have to try and pull off the first before killing, or maybe save all my flasks for the second and just hit Oak + Atziri for the first Vaal?

Do you think my flask setup is OK or did you find you needed more ele or status clear flasks? I'll definitely be heading back in there once I'm 39/40.

Vaal lightning trap can store 3 charges, and you only need 3 (75, 50, 25%), so you should be good with only 1 if I'm not mistaken.

Yes I would drop inc crit strike and use Orb of storm with a curse on hit setup to curse. You dont care about power charges that much compared to the 20% dmg multiplier assassin's mark provides imo. Or you can have both maybe in a 4L if you;re ok with recoloring a piece of gear.

Pulling off is way safer imo if you're not sure you cant kill both.

Your flask setup is ok I think, but I'm the worse person to ask ^^. The wise oak would be even better if your fire res was the lowest I guess.

I moved to a new apartment recently and I didnt have internet and my pc setup, so I stopped playing. Got it all working tonight and did shaper for fun and chayula for the first time. So easy :D He didnt even got the time to start moving <3



I'm pretty much done for this league I think. I might try to level a righteous fire character to see what it's like for next league tho.

Another big thanks to netmos for this build, I had a great league playing it. First time I got to do literally all content. Peaace.

edit: just bought a shav for fun and got it to 6L in 450 fusings :D