[2.5] Pentagolem Hellfire - How to play PoE while watching TV(Shaper/Guardians)

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czarny1910 wrote:
https://www.reddit.com/r/pathofexile/comments/5pgdpi/meta_after_seeing_people_comparing_5_chaos_golem/

Any1 tried to do this setup?
Guy is recommending 4 Flame / 1 Ice / 1 Lightning as the best golem setup.


I'm trying the 4/1/1 setup but I've only recently respecced an old character into it so I haven't yet tested it on anything that doesn't die instantly anyway to compare speeds.

But here's the maths behind it and why it should be superior.

Necro gets about 150% increased damage from ascendancies vs elementalist having an extra golem. We will disregard any minion damage on the tree and assume that's equivalent on both characters. Let's say each golem has X damage (doesn't matter how much damage it is, will vary depending on gem levels and gear). The necro golems do 2.5X damage + 0.2X per harmony. 5 golems therefore totals to 12.5X damage + X per harmony.

Elementalist has 4 golems each doing X damage as well but gets 0.6X damage per harmony totaling 4X damage + 2.4X per harmony.

At 6 harmonies, necro is doing 18.5X total damage while elementalist is doing 18.4X total damage which puts them even on damage with elementalist surpassing necro with each additional harmony after that.

tl;dr if you run <6 harmonies, 5 golem necro is better. If you run >6 then 4/1/1 elementalist is stronger.


Last edited by Astrohawke#1298 on Jan 30, 2017, 7:59:47 PM
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Astrohawke wrote:
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czarny1910 wrote:
https://www.reddit.com/r/pathofexile/comments/5pgdpi/meta_after_seeing_people_comparing_5_chaos_golem/

Any1 tried to do this setup?
Guy is recommending 4 Flame / 1 Ice / 1 Lightning as the best golem setup.


I'm trying the 4/1/1 setup but I've only recently respecced an old character into it so I haven't yet tested it on anything that doesn't die instantly anyway to compare speeds.

But here's the maths behind it and why it should be superior.

Necro gets about 150% increased damage from ascendancies vs elementalist having an extra golem. We will disregard any minion damage on the tree and assume that's equivalent on both characters. Let's say each golem has X damage (doesn't matter how much damage it is, will vary depending on gem levels and gear). The necro golems do 2.5X damage + 0.2X per harmony. 5 golems therefore totals to 12.5X damage + X per harmony.

Elementalist has 4 golems each doing X damage as well but gets 0.6X damage per harmony totaling 4X damage + 2.4X per harmony.

At 6 harmonies, necro is doing 18.5X total damage while elementalist is doing 18.4X total damage which puts them even on damage with elementalist surpassing necro with each additional harmony after that.

tl;dr if you run <6 harmonies, 5 golem necro is better. If you run >6 then 4/1/1 elementalist is stronger.



Thanks, i went full CI and using 9 harmonies, so ill stay with elemental 4/1/1 ;)
I started with this build (One the the pioneer of golems) and i got bored, after taking a week off to Rimworld, i came back and switched to ele. It's is indeed stronger due to ele dmg immune and the flexibility to run a 3rd curse(temp chg). Just note that it require 9-10 harmonies.

Both builds are very good tbh.
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Xafniko wrote:
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asw wrote:
is there someone who has CI tree to share?


You can look at my character TheSevenNightWalk

CI with 11.7k es, i go with ele although for 6(4-1-1) golem, but the tree should be roughly the same


Just looked at your CI tree because i'm interested in that build for next league, but no vaal pact or zealoth oath ? not sure this tree is optimal :/ someone else worked on a CI build as necro to compare ?
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Eko13 wrote:
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Xafniko wrote:
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asw wrote:
is there someone who has CI tree to share?


You can look at my character TheSevenNightWalk

CI with 11.7k es, i go with ele although for 6(4-1-1) golem, but the tree should be roughly the same


Just looked at your CI tree because i'm interested in that build for next league, but no vaal pact or zealoth oath ? not sure this tree is optimal :/ someone else worked on a CI build as necro to compare ?


Why do u need vaal pact? As a summoner u dun leech. As for the regen, u hardly get hit. If u watch Simple's video, he can basically just run to the boss untouched. U have vaal disciple to act as a pot. You shld know where to stand in most boss fight. If u are still uncomfortable, then remove TC (3rd Curse) then slot in Vitality and take ZO (3pts). It's flexible :))

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Xafniko wrote:


If u are still uncomfortable, then remove TC (3rd Curse) then slot in Vitality and take ZO (3pts). It's flexible :))



nice tip will consider that !
And whats the best gem setup with ES chest?

21lvl FG - controlled destruction - spell echo - minion dmg- GMP - fire penetration or empower lvl4? Still considering should i buy one...
Maybe I shouldn't have gone Guardian with this build ...

https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1827970
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czarny1910 wrote:
And whats the best gem setup with ES chest?

21lvl FG - controlled destruction - spell echo - minion dmg- GMP - fire penetration or empower lvl4? Still considering should i buy one...


If u have flammability and Ele Weakness on Blasphemy, then go for EMP4.

I use TC on Blasphemy and only Curse On Hit (flammability and Ele Weakness) on hard boss, so i go with Fire Pene.
It says to keep CWDT on lvl 9, as i did. But it doesnt said that i need to stop leveling Desecrate and Bone offering too. CWDT Lvl 9 supports only lvl 54 or lower gems :/ As noob i didnt realized that. I guess i need to lvl Desecrate and Bone Offering to right level again ?

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