[2.5] CI Witch Scorching Ray CWC Whispering Ice - Version 2.0 Released - Now with more damage!

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JoeODanger wrote:
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icestorm is casted where our cursor is


This point is important. I got to the end of Cruel before I figured that one out -_-

Much easier now haha


Ahaha, I should add that to the guide I guess, maybe more people made that mistake.
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j0euser wrote:
Hey, great build. I'm having a ton of fun with it.

Anyway, I made a couple of changes in the gems. I'm running Orb of Storms-Curse on Hit-Flammability-Increased Critical Strikes-PCOC, and I'm always at full power charge. I also run CWDT-Ice Nova-Frost Wall. Frost Wall is great because you can still shoot the Scorching Ray over the wall.

BTW, do you think we do most of our DPS with the SR or with Icestorm? What do you think about about giving the SR just 2 links (SR-CWC) and give 4 links to Icestorm? We can make the extra link Elemental Focus to juice Icestorm DPS.


I believe you have misunderstood some of my guide (or skipped it by mistake), cuz some of your changes would be devastating to my setup. Let me clarify.

Power Charges:
We are running elemental overload, so critting has no multiplier and does the exact same damage as a non crit. IF you on the otherhand do this just to proc elemental overload, that is fine.

On the linking part:
Our icestorm is currently 6 linked:
Icestorm + life leech + fire penetration + concentrated effect + CWC + controlled destruction
and our scorching ray is currently 3 linked:
Scorching ray + CWC + Controlled destruction

Controlled destruction overlaps to icestorm, even tho it is also linked to scorching ray.

If you add elemental focus, we lose a lot of damage (since we can't shock, burn or freeze with that gem in it, and we lose the damage from celestial punishment) - read about it in my guide (theory -> long theory -> elemental focus)

On your CwDT:
Frostwall is a great defense mechanism, and I like that people adapt the build to their own playstyle. I am unsure why you would add Ice nova to the cwdt when icestorm already adds chilling ground wherever it lands, any specific reason behind this gem?

Main Damage
Definitly Icestorm
Last edited by Mathoddie#7620 on Dec 12, 2016, 11:32:15 PM
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Mathoddie wrote:

Power Charges:
We are running elemental overload, so critting has no multiplier and does the exact same damage as a non crit. IF you on the otherhand do this just to proc elemental overload, that is fine.


Yeah, I didn't explain myself well. With the base 5% crit, I had trouble maintaining elemental overload. With Orb of Storm + Increased Crit, I get full elemental overload uptime. Maybe I'll do something else instead of PCOC if I can maintain elemental overload without the power charges.

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On the linking part:
Our icestorm is currently 6 linked:
Icestorm + life leech + fire penetration + concentrated effect + CWC + controlled destruction
and our scorching ray is currently 3 linked:
Scorching ray + CWC + Controlled destruction

Controlled destruction overlaps to icestorm, even tho it is also linked to scorching ray.



Yeah, I tried a 2L SR, and I figured it out. Me bad.

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On your CwDT:
Frostwall is a great defense mechanism, and I like that people adapt the build to their own playstyle. I am unsure why you would add Ice nova to the cwdt when icestorm already adds chilling ground wherever it lands, any specific reason behind this gem?


I put the ice nova in the CWDT because you recommended it in the top post. What else would you recommend?

Last edited by repodepojew6#7552 on Dec 12, 2016, 11:44:17 PM
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repodepojew6 wrote:

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On your CwDT:
Frostwall is a great defense mechanism, and I like that people adapt the build to their own playstyle. I am unsure why you would add Ice nova to the cwdt when icestorm already adds chilling ground wherever it lands, any specific reason behind this gem?



I put the ice nova in the CWDT because you recommended it in the top post. What else would you recommend?



My ice nova is linked to a curse on hit flammability/temporal chains/enfeeble. It is linked in my chest to provide an AOE curse application in surrounded situations :)
**UPDATE**
Added a FAQ/Good info section
Having more fun with this build. Got to Lv 91, working towards 92. Just ran a twinned Abyss map with pretty nasty mods, downed both bosses in just a few seconds. It was almost unfair, they barely made a dent. I'm considering making a new character in Breach League just to play this build from the ground up with minimal equipment.

Added an Auxium belt...working good but I'm hoping to add a high INT crystal belt eventually.

I'm still testing out different CWDT ideas...so far I'm enjoying Orb of Storms with my curses since I am used to that playstyle. I was hoping a CWDT shock nova would trigger more curse bolts from OOS but so far I can't tell if it is working.

Once I hit 92 I'm going to try the Minotaur. I've only fought him once with my dual wander Scion and he gave me a horrible beat down...but it is about time for a re-match. :)

how in the world are you getting 4k+ damage on icestorm at only lvl 72 ???

i'm getting about 2k at 86.... wtf
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Mathoddie wrote:
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forzazx6 wrote:
I've done 10 grandspectrums and the tooltip doesn't come close to what yours is, i have roughly 615~ int (no int on gear other than astramentis),

here's my passive:
https://www.pathofexile.com/fullscreen-passive-skill-tree/AAAABAMCAQPuBAcNfBFQEzUV1xekGDwYVhslHNwdTx2-HwIfGCL0KPoqOCqNLKYsvy0fLagy0TOHNbk2xTbYN2Y3gzwFPC1Bh0VHRnFHBkkbSVFLrkyzUftSKVXgVkhWY1fJWFpfKl9qX7BmVGt6bAhsC20Zb550VX_GgpuCx4MJg1-DzITFhXuGro8aj0aP-pD6kyeYrZo7m7Wf36EvpuunCKcrrJixkLQMtz64k70nvoC-isBmwcXDOsi_ykrK080W0B_Q0NQH2CTZW9vn3I3fbd-K6QLr5Ovu7BjsOOxV73zv6_DV8Wzxivno

I did deathless fire breachlord, I compared my facetank kill speed to yours and you do so much more damage, than I compared my uber lab kill vs yours and even tho you almost get dumpstered by izaro you still wreck him so fast, are 10 spectrums really worse than your setup? (I had flammability for the breach fight too)


Hello, I am uncertain what you mean with 10 grand spectrums, and you running the elemental 4 % per spectrum jewels or?

Since icestorm scales on int (the base damage and duration) you will deal A LOT less damage with 615 int compared to 1200.
I did almost get dumbstered by izaro because of misplay yes, and I was kinda low level. But I can easily tank him now as I tanked the xoph breach lord.

I would say you need to do some respeccing in your skill tree.
1) First of all you have 190 less int than me in your skill tree (224 with WI) even more if you calculate the converted STR at templar.
2) You have also specced into EE, which I am uncertain on why, since we only deal fire damage with this build, you will be buffing the enemies resistance for no reason.
3) you waste a lot of points on jewels that arn't needed
4) you have approx. 223 % less fire/cold/spell damage in your build in total.
5) less penetration 2 %
6) no dual cursing
7) less ES

My damage tooltips are from level 72, and they are a lot higher now (I will update them soon), but your current skill tree is far from the ideal SR CWC IS build.

I hope this clear things up


Yes, 11 Grand spectrums (the nerfed 4% ones) which is increased 484 ele dmg.
my int atm 897.

this is my tooltip with golem + pendulum of destruct while standing in town:


I guess I will be the guinea pig and let everyone know that spectrums are not worth for this build.
Last edited by forzazx6#4479 on Dec 13, 2016, 1:14:46 AM
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SasoriOtoko wrote:
Having more fun with this build. Got to Lv 91, working towards 92. Just ran a twinned Abyss map with pretty nasty mods, downed both bosses in just a few seconds. It was almost unfair, they barely made a dent. I'm considering making a new character in Breach League just to play this build from the ground up with minimal equipment.

Added an Auxium belt...working good but I'm hoping to add a high INT crystal belt eventually.

I'm still testing out different CWDT ideas...so far I'm enjoying Orb of Storms with my curses since I am used to that playstyle. I was hoping a CWDT shock nova would trigger more curse bolts from OOS but so far I can't tell if it is working.

Once I hit 92 I'm going to try the Minotaur. I've only fought him once with my dual wander Scion and he gave me a horrible beat down...but it is about time for a re-match. :)



Good to know that you are still enjoying the build!
Now go give that Minotaur a big as whooping. Sadly I am having trouble getting end game map drops on my character at the moment, currently running tier 13. But I can't wait to test my build in tier 15+ maps.

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bangaroo wrote:
how in the world are you getting 4k+ damage on icestorm at only lvl 72 ???

i'm getting about 2k at 86.... wtf


If you link me your gear/skill tree I might be able to tell you the problem.
Having 2 k at 86 is pretty low compared to what my build should get at that level.
How much int are you currently at?
Last edited by Mathoddie#7620 on Dec 13, 2016, 1:30:24 AM

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